robertburns Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 My female friend and I were having a discussion and male privilege and anti male sexism came up. I shared some stories of how men can be treated very badly for simply being a man and she didn't believe that it happened as often as I said it did. So I'm posting this to see this from other men's points of views to see if it's true or not. If you have any stories of yourself, friends, or family that have seen mistreatment during divorce, custody hearings, job situations, school situations, married life, parenting life, on line, etc please feel free to post. I would recommend not using real names. Thank you.
robertburns Posted January 16, 2017 Author Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) For me:1.Accused of sexual harassment when a coworker at a gym I worked at asked me to photograph her because she wanted to try modeling (I went to school for photography). We never did, but a few months later, she complained to HR that I emailed her photos of naked women. Luckily I kept all the emails saying she wanted to model, and she wanted to see my online portfolio which included nudes. She had to use a password to see them, so she saw the warning and used the password. 2. Cousin completely lost his kids during a divorce even though he never mistreated the kids or his wife. 3. Friend was bankrupt and lived in his car for 7 months after a divorce and still has to pay alimony, even though she makes the same money as he did.4. My female friend was divorcing and her lawyer suggested they can win everything if she implied her husband hit him. Luckily for him, she has a conscious and didn't lie Edited January 16, 2017 by robertburns
Belugawrx Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 I think that you may be confused,....this is the glue sniffing outreach,...Whining male support group is two doors down,....
robertburns Posted January 16, 2017 Author Posted January 16, 2017 I think that you may be confused,....this is the glue sniffing outreach,...Whining male support group is two doors down,....? This thread is intended for mature people only, but thank you for your comment anyway
robertburns Posted January 16, 2017 Author Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) I think that you may be confused,....this is the glue sniffing outreach,...Whining male support group is two doors down,....I'm glad you posted because this is a perfect example of one thing I was talking about with my friend and predicted it would happen. Basically, it's called Manshaming. It uses humor and shame towards one's manhood to deflect talking about certain difficult or scary subjects. It is used by both men and women and is a proven technique because it can manipulate men into doing or not doing certain things. Edited January 16, 2017 by robertburns
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 Did I miss something, or has this forum changed from a bunch of guys who like to build models to a psychiatrists office?I liked it better when it was a bunch of guys building models. Steve
iamsuperdan Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 Can't say I've ever felt oppressed or singled out just for being a guy. Let's be honest, like many of you, as a white male, I've got things pretty easy compared to others.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Can't say I've ever felt oppressed or singled out just for being a guy. Let's be honest, like many of you, as a white male, I've got things pretty easy compared to others.I'm never going to buy into the white-male-privilege carp that's endlessly promoted now by whining feminists and myriad other "marginalized" groups who only want a free ride.Anydammbody who has a reasonable brain and works HARD in pursuit of a goal CAN make it in the USA. Still.I personally know (and like and respect very much) a black man who, as a dirt-poor kid in a rural South Carolina town, used to walk by the podunk little airport, fell in love with airplanes, decided he wanted to work around them, and talked the airport operator into hiring him to sweep floors and clean toilets.He worked hard and showed up reliably, saved his money, went on to become a licensed A&P mechanic (he's one of the best aviation sheet-metal men I know), and got his pilot's license and multiple ratings.I also know a fairly recent Mexican immigrant who does excellent body-work. He doesn't speak English very well (his English is a whole lot better than my Spanish), but he's set up his own little restoration shop, on the side, and is making pretty damm good money.Sara Blakely, the Spanx queen, is a local woman who REALLY made it big in business.Whining is for whiners. Achievers just get the job done.And in response to the OP's question " Were you ever been (sic) treated badly because you are a man? Divorce, etc"Men have traditionally come out on the losing end of divorce. The woman has always tended to get the house and most of the assets, plus alimony and child support.Ain't nothin' new. God knows, I've paid MY share. Edited January 17, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 I'm glad you posted because this is a perfect example of one thing I was talking about with my friend and predicted it would happen. Basically, it's called Manshaming. It uses humor and shame towards one's manhood to deflect talking about certain difficult or scary subjects. It is used by both men and women and is a proven technique because it can manipulate men into doing or not doing certain things. Sorry, I disagree."Manshaming" can only manipulate chickenexhaust little wusses, not actual adult men...but there are fewer and fewer of those every day.And an actual adult man can quite easily talk about "difficult or scary" subjects.
modelercarl Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 This is terrific, a few friends and I had some good chuckles last week over the thread started by the naïve kid wanting some help with possibly setting up a webcast and thought that since it was locked that this week would be boring, but here is another ridiculous thread started on our MODEL BUILDING site so it looks like this week won't be boring after all....gotta go get some more popcorn though.
Xingu Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 We are in the Off Topic Lounge section of the forum. There are a LOT of non-model building topics here. Some would say that is exactly why this area is here.Just like in all the other areas of this forum, we should be respectful of the other members.
modelercarl Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 I understand it is in the Off Topic section as it should be, but that doesn't negate the fact that it is a ridiculous thread and will, if history is any indication, generate some ego driven ridiculous commentary for our entertainment.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 I understand it is in the Off Topic section as it should be, but that doesn't negate the fact that it is a ridiculous thread and will, if history is any indication, generate some ego driven ridiculous commentary for our entertainment. Feel free to start.
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 It may be the "Off Topic Lounge" but I believe that there is a political ban on the site, am I right?Is there anyway that this topic can "NOT" go political?It's obvious that it already has!I come here to relax & discuss "fun stuff" with other people who like fun stuff.I just wish we could refrain from these subjects that are inevitably heading for a "lock down" by the moderators.We all know, nothing good ever comes out of this type of thread! Steve
Tom Geiger Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 Not so wise to put "too much information" out there in a public Internet forum. Anyone who can Google can find and read whatever is posted here.
D. Battista Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 We are in the Off Topic Lounge section of the forum. There are a LOT of non-model building topics here. Some would say that is exactly why this area is here. Just like in all the other areas of this forum, we should be respectful of the other members. That's what I was thinking also.!
blunc Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 Hrmmm, it would be way too easy to start poking at the people who posted here that don't seem to appreciate this particular thread...Just because this is (basically) social media, doesn't mean you HAVE to post something.I'd hazard a guess that if all the people that have posted negative comments here had just ignored this thread that it would have expired quietly a couple days ago.Was there some Jedi mind trick that reached out and MADE you type garbage in a thread you don't have any appreciation for?Honestly, take a second to read your reply before you click the submit button and try to decide if what you want the world to see is actually "on topic" for the thread and could be considered to be participating in a generous way to discussion.I'm not saying that I have response to the original post, but since I have served in the forces that made it so we all have the ability to be bone headed in front of the whole world, I will support the original poster's right to post too much information.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) ... I shared some stories of how men can be treated very badly for simply being a man and she didn't believe that it happened as often as I said it did....Hmmmm....Not much worse treatment "for simply being a man" than to be ripped out of civilian life at 18 years of age, forced to abandon just about every facet of civilized behavior, and put in a position where you have to kill without remorse and risk being killed, violently and often horribly, by people you've never seen and with whom you have no personal quarrel...and then, as in the case with the Vietnam period, to be spit-on when you come home.Yet this is what happened through two world wars and assorted "conflicts" where it was the strongest and healthiest of the young MEN who were shipped overseas to kill and die. It wasn't that women weren't "allowed" in combat. Nobody in his right mind WANTS to go to war. It was because women were PROTECTED from combat. Why?? Because WOMEN were universally seen as being MORE VALUABLE than men, the future of civilization, the real strength and core of humanity, and the ones who stayed home and held a country together, a country that had IDEAS and IDEALS that seemed to MEN to be worth fighting and dying for.Sadly, successive generations of slackers and whiners and crybabies have been doing their dammedest to tear down everything that seemed to be of real value.While it is true that men start wars, it's also true that GOOD MEN DIE TO END THEM, and the freedom to moan and carp endlessly about how horrible and "oppressive" this country is, is one of the things the whiners all have to be thankful for to the MEN who gave their lives for the right to free expression. Edited January 17, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy
iamsuperdan Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 I'm never going to buy into the white-male-privilege carp that's endlessly promoted now by whining feminists and myriad other "marginalized" groups who only want a free ride.Anydammbody who has a reasonable brain and works HARD in pursuit of a goal CAN make it in the USA. Still.I personally know (and like and respect very much) a black man who, as a dirt-poor kid in a rural South Carolina town, used to walk by the podunk little airport, fell in love with airplanes, decided he wanted to work around them, and talked the airport operator into hiring him to sweep floors and clean toilets.He worked hard and showed up reliably, saved his money, went on to become a licensed A&P mechanic (he's one of the best aviation sheet-metal men I know), and got his pilot's license and multiple ratings.I also know a fairly recent Mexican immigrant who does excellent body-work. He doesn't speak English very well (his English is a whole lot better than my Spanish), but he's set up his own little restoration shop, on the side, and is making pretty damm good money.Sara Blakely, the Spanx queen, is a local woman who REALLY made it big in business.Whining is for whiners. Achievers just get the job done.And in response to the OP's question " Were you ever been (sic) treated badly because you are a man? Divorce, etc"Men have traditionally come out on the losing end of divorce. The woman has always tended to get the house and most of the assets, plus alimony and child support.Ain't nothin' new. God knows, I've paid MY share. I think the fact that you had to list specific examples of minorities being successful says something. I think everyone here probably knows people from visible minority groups who have been very successful in what they do, just like I'm guessing everyone here knows unsuccessful people.And you're right, it doesn't matter what your colour is, or what your political preferences are, or what your sexual preferences are. Doesn't matter if you believe in one of the many Gods out there or if you believe in a flying spaghetti monster. Everyone can be successful if they put a little effort into their life, and they want it. But...white guys have it easier. It's not right, but that's how it is. Gender stereotypes and racial stereotypes definitely get in the way, especially in certain regions and certain industries.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) I think the fact that you had to list specific examples of minorities being successful says something. Bull.I can name any number of non-white-male successful business people in my own part of the world. I just happened to pick three I know personally. Here are some more.A woman I wrote a successful patent for owns a company that manufactures jewelry accessories. Two other patent clients were female nurses who invented a medical instrument. A woman I knew very well many years ago is an aerospace engineer, a pilot, and has multiple ratings...including large jet transports. I bought my Jag, in 1995, from a female flight attendant who bought it in England. There is a chain of nail salons here owned by Vietnamese women. One of my patent examiners last time out was also Vietnamese. There's a very large Mexican-owned residential painting company close by, not to mention tons of restaurants. There are also Thai and Indian restaurants nearby, all successful, also long term. There are MANY Mexican-owned landscaping companies locally as well. The accountancy firm that did the books for the last company I ran was woman-owned, as was the law firm that represented them. There is a LARGE woman-owned PLUMBING company here. One of my old female clients in another business owned her own successful holistic and alternative health consulting company. The local spokesperson for the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition was a woman, and has gone on to a successful career as a marketing executive. The daughter of one of the guys I've worked with building hot-rods here is a high-level exec with Facebook. A black man I used to know in SCCA who raced a TR-250 was an engineer. The Mayor of Atlanta is black, as is a large proportion of city elected officials and employees. One of the highest-paid anchors in the history of Atlanta TV was a black woman. The computer service and repair wizards I use now are all Asian...except for the young white male trainee who really doesn't know what he's doing yet...and there are surely dozens if not hundreds of female real-estate agents in the metro area who are doing very well indeed, including the one who sold my last house and a couple I've dated.These are just off the top of my head.People see what they want to see, what they've been TOLD to see, and not what's actually there...whether someone chooses to see "white male privilege" or "oppressive discrimination", it's all exaggerated just to make excuses for failure. And yes, I'll admit there ARE fools among us who discriminate on the basis of skin color or "gender", but they don't actually run the world. If an idiot bigot gets in the way, go around him. Screaming in protest won't change his outlook, and only makes the screamer look like as big a fool.People STILL want to come to the USA or the West for the opportunity, and the sheer number of successful recent immigrants and minorities in my own small circle of friends and acquaintances proves to me that anyone who's BORN here and whines about oppression and lack of opportunity just isn't trying.Any questions? Edited January 17, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy
iamsuperdan Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 And yes, I'll admit there ARE fools among us who discriminate on the basis of skin color or "gender", but they don't actually run the world. They actually do kind of run the world. President Trump is a prime example of the fool who discriminates on the basis of skin colour and/or gender.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) They actually do kind of run the world. President Trump is a prime example of the fool who discriminates on the basis of skin colour and/or gender.If you really believe that, I'm sorry. The liberal left-wing brainwashing has claimed another follower.And now, I'm pretty sure you've pushed this over the "political" ban line.Good job. Edited January 17, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy
iamsuperdan Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 Nah, you're the one who brought up people who discriminate and rule the world. I just dropped a name as an example.
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 I suppose it takes some maturity and a little deeper investigation than simply swallowing whole the media load of carp to get to the truth.Of course, that takes effort...never really popular...and critical thinking skills...sorely lacking these days, jus' 'bout everywhere I look.Much simpler and apparently more rewarding to follow the mindlessly bleating herd...whether they be left OR right wing.
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