So I'm sitting on a stack of 63 Country Squies and 64 Colony Parks

[restoman]

 You can't have no idea how little I care.

Monte Walsh! Great movie!

[Dawson]

It is my understanding that there is some one that has copied the ModelHaus Shasta Airflyte trailer , I missed out on the original and wonder if ModelHaus is out of business and who ever is making copies has got license and permission from Shasta or the parent company Forest River . It's easy enough to find out I would guess .

[Quick GMC]

What a dumb post, I don't even understand the point. Why would you lump everyone into the same basket

[bobthehobbyguy]

Paul. First before you posted this you shoukd have waited to post this. Second after condemning all of the board you haven't apologized. Third you are assuming that most would even know which resin cast products are copies from others. 

Unfortunately recast is a part of doing business. It severely  stifled the garage kit business.

Finally you don't have to worry about me buying your kits. 

[Greg Wann]

Last weekend the Cactus Car Model Club had their 13th Desert Scale Classic model show and contest.  Vendors were present also.  One such vendor named Bob Zetterman and his wife Polly were there with their usual bins of Modelhaus parts.  Bob is a promo collector and rebuilder.  Bob was a Bit sore of the Modelhaus closing and he told me a few stories of how he and Polly actually helped Don and Carol start their business by providing original promo parts and model kits.  Bob and Polly are the unknown soldiers so to speak in the model car and resin history.  Bob and Don live in different states and told me how he allowed Don and Carol the use of their home while off to some other destination.  Upon Bob's return was a note from Don to a list of kits and parts he took back with him to make molds from.  And that is how Don and Carol started.  Bob also recently helped Don deliver a $16,000.00 order.  Both of their SUV's were completely full of a summers worth of work.  Bob did get his original parts back and more.

[Bob Ellis]

What is this post about? I read the whole and still don't see the point, starting with Paul.

[redneckrigger]

I guess I have to scratch my head as well on this. I met Don and Carol Holthaus back in 1988 in Toledo. They were a class act way back then. Their product was 11 on a scale of 1-10. But, they got their masters either from parts from promos or kits or from masters made or modified from promos or kits by Don or one of his contacts. And those master creators got much of their work from the same kit and promo makers. So where does the line get drawn? Do we say it was OK for those back then to have copied work made by the model companies, but it isn't OK for someone to do a copy of someone's work now? Don't get me wrong, I do NOT approve of someone copying someone else's work and passing it off as their own. But where do we decide that it is OK to use original work in the production of a master for use by someone like Modelhaus, but NOT OK to use Modelhaus's work, (or someone else's) as a basis for another casting, modified to fit another need and then sold? Now, if it is just straight copying work that is currently available, yeah, that is wrong, as it directly impacts the originator's ability to reap a return on their work. And copying Modelhaus work right now as Don and Carol are closing up shop CAN impact their ability to sell their company, but most likely NOT, as anyone with half of an eye for quality can recognize a low level copy of their great work. But if it is copying someone else's work that can not any longer be had, is THAT also looked down upon? Was it looked down upon for Don to copy promo bodies of cars from the 50's and 60's as they were no longer available?

This is a very tumultuous subject to be sure. But since people are making resins, even 100% scratch built ones, of products such as Ford, Mack, Chevrolet, GMC etc., are they paying a royalty to the 1:1 companies that own those trademarked names as the kit makers back then did, for every one they sell, be it a kit or a built finished model? It opens a larger area of conversation when you look at that, doesn't it? I do not know the answer to this. But, I will say that if one is worried about their product being bootlegged, then they should endeavor to make a superior product that has zero chance of being overtaken by a lesser quality bootleg copy. I do believe Don had that covered well, as no one has been able to do the work that he did, and his quality stood head and shoulders above all others in his area of expertise. I suggest that others strive to achieve the same levels, and therby ensure that THEIR product is the best. And I also hope that those who are looking to buy resin buy from those who achieve those levels and ignore the gutter quality makers and that alone will ensure their demise.

Edited April 16, 2017 by redneckrigger

[DrKerry]

What is this post about? I read the whole and still don't see the point, starting with Paul.

it's about how Paul is accusing other resin casters out there as rip off artists and how Modelhaus is the king of all and how they wouldn't do such a sacrilege thing as copying someone else's work even when we all know how they got their start. I say who cares what the other guy does! They have to put food on their tables too!!!!!

[socal76]

Something I have not yet quite figured out about all of this. Isn't Paul driving people TO puchasing products from the very person he is accusing of ripping him off, since Paul wil not be selling these now and people will still want to purchase such items and may not have seen any of the posts here? If Paul's products are not available and there is someone else doing the same item, many are going to buy it because that is all that is available. And besides, I may want to build it my own way and then change my mind right in the middle. Not easy to do with a custom build you are paying for!

Edited April 16, 2017 by socal76

[Paul Hettick]

Dr. Kerry, I have a few questions for you as I'm trying to understand your logic. First, Why should I spend 40 to 200 hrs mastering a kit if I can't claim exclusivity? Second, How am I ripping Amt by making a 64 Colony Park from their Marauder kit? Anyone who buys the Colony Park will be buying the Marauder kit to build it with. I know the marauder is not currently available so if I do decide to sell the kits, I'll wait till the Marauder is reissued. That equals more income for AMT. I would think they would like that.  Third, do you realize that by supporting the copy cats it ends new resin kit development?  Also, when and where did I state that The Modelhaus was lord God king of resin? Please be specific.  And to those who have a problem with me and my standards please don't buy from me.

I was really looking forward to forming a new resin company selling new original high quality kits. Now, maybe, maybe not.

[Paul Hettick]

Bob, I never condemned the whole board. Just going after the supporters of bootleg products. To those who think I made a blanket condemnation I do apologize.

[DrKerry]

Dr. Kerry, I have a few questions for you as I'm trying to understand your logic. First, Why should I spend 40 to 200 hrs mastering a kit if I can't claim exclusivity? Second, How am I ripping Amt by making a 64 Colony Park from their Marauder kit? Anyone who buys the Colony Park will be buying the Marauder kit to build it with. I know the marauder is not currently available so if I do decide to sell the kits, I'll wait till the Marauder is reissued. That equals more income for AMT. I would think they would like that.  Third, do you realize that by supporting the copy cats it ends new resin kit development?  Also, when and where did I state that The Modelhaus was lord God king of resin? Please be specific.  And to those who have a problem with me and my standards please don't buy from me.

I was really looking forward to forming a new resin company selling new original high quality kits. Now, maybe, maybe not.

well to start off you could claim it "exclusively" if you started from scratch, not using kit parts etc. by using a kit part that some engineer worked to master in the manufacture in question and not only that they probably have a copy right on. You're thriving around and using it for your gain... therefore you're kind of ripping off their hard work at making the kit in the first place....

im not sure how a copy cat could end future resin development, I mean look at all the resin companies that are out there now and look at what they're doing!!!! I don't see the resin world going anywhere anytime soon!!!!

yes ok you didn't really come out and "directly" say they were but when you come on here and talk about how good their stuff was and how good your stuff is and start poking fingers at others and calling them rip off's kind of makes you look really bad!! By looking at the responses your getting, I'm guessing I'm not the only one a bit peeved by your comments......

mas for you starting your own resin company but maybe ya won't!!!! I thank ya!!!!!!!! Reason being I wouldn't buy from ya anyway!!!!!!! I go two hours South of me and stop by my friend  Pedro and get one from him and have a good laugh about it!!!!!!

now where's Pedro's phone number. Ah yes there it is..........

 

[Danno]

What's a Country Squie?

[Sport Suburban]

What's a Country Squie?

an original Paul Hettick interpertation of a Ford, misspelled to avoid licensing from Ford Motor corp.

[Daddyfink]

[Paul Hettick]

Kerry, where did I talk about how good my stuff is and where did I talk about how good Modelhaus stuff is? I knew you had to be tight with Pedro. Please provide me your ebay handle so I can block you from bidding on my products when you get tired of buy repop junk from your buddy.

[DrKerry]

No need to block me because I won't be bidding if it was the last resin on earth!!!! Trust me I don't just get stuff from Pedro, so you must be calling other people's stuff junk too!!! 

Edited April 17, 2017 by DrKerry

[Paul Hettick]

Again misquoting me. I see your circular logic to defend your friend who is copying other's work, and your personal attacks on me because I'm letting others know what he is doing.  If you can't understand why one would be hesitant to create a new kit for fear of being copied there's no use trying to have a discussion with about it. I'm done with this.... Please feel free to attack

[bobthehobbyguy]

What's a Country Squie?

an original Paul Hettick interpertation of a Ford, misspelled to avoid licensing from Ford Motor corp.

if this is the case then isn't it being hypocritical to complain that someone is copying your work and you are copying tsomeone elses design and not compesating them for it.

[DrKerry]

Again misquoting me. I see your circular logic to defend your friend who is copying other's work, and your personal attacks on me because I'm letting others know what he is doing.  If you can't understand why one would be hesitant to create a new kit for fear of being copied there's no use trying to have a discussion with about it. I'm done with this.... Please feel free to attack

not misquoting you, you come on here and make mention about how Pedro copies another and how he is a rip off artist. If that's the case and I'm trying to point out that if he is doing so then the countless others that are doing the same thing then they too must be rip off artists??!! Do you agree?? Probably not because you probably think using kit parts is ok to use and "copy" without the manufacturers consent to turn around and use it as a profit to yourself. That and yes you personally isolate and attack a friend of mine...  others have seen the fact that when you come on the forum and right away start attacking people in the manner that you did, people are going to get offensive. In the way I said you thought your stuff was all that, yeah words weren't used to say as much but the way you come on here pointing out that what other people are doing leads one to think that's what you were doing....

like what has been said if you expect people to buy your stuff you need to have a little bit better way of coming on here and talking about your  product!!! If you want people to buy your stuff to come on here bashing another resin maker makes you look like the idiot not the guy your bashing!!! Just saying!!!

unless a resin maker sits there and carves what he is doing from a resin or plastic block, can he say it's 100% original and not copied!!! When someone uses another resin product or a model kit part and uses it in his or her design, casts it and re sells it, that to me is copying, but everyone including big manufacturers do that in the business.. That's why I've said what I've said about you, but you may not see it that way while others do!!! Therefore the reason it ticked me off when you isolate one person!!!

take this or leave it but I'm going to be the better man here!!! I apologize for what I have said, after this I will say no more about you or against you!!!! It's up to you if you want to apologize to the other members of the forum for your actions, but I'm apologizing for mine!!! Sorry to you Rick and I am sorry to the forum for my actions!!!!!!!!

im putting this to rest right now.

Edited April 17, 2017 by DrKerry

[BIGTRUCK]

I would love to see a post started just on the odd, unusual , resin builds you dont always see. I think that would be something we all understand

[Maindrian Pace]

The recasters are a fact of life in the resin world. But a few things should be noted:

1) They never get very far, and they never get ahead.

2) Their quality is garbage, word gets out fast, and they always seem to dry up and blow away.

3) As people go, they aren't very bright, they are rude to their customers, and are generally their own worst enemies.

To the creators of original masters or legitimate sellers of same, they are an annoyance, like a fly in your face or gum on your loafers; but they don't meaningfully affect the bottom line or equally importantly, your reputation.

[Jon Cole]

At this point, I'm really missing Harry.

[socal76]

Jon, so true!

[Xingu]

This is a good time to remind everyone about the report post function (see the announcement at the top of every page).

I see that Paul has deleted his original post, so I will lock this thread.