2018 Cannonball Run

[Lunajammer]

Late-season update: Nothing done. But with the northern chill moving in, it's almost model season again.

[da_ashman]

Havent made alot of progress lately, I semi stopped to participate in a Instragram 1 month build, now that its over its back to the Soviet Silvia!

Made up a bunch of hoses & wiring, Managed to get the engine mounted to the chassis, now lots of auxiliary stuff needs to be made / added before moving on to the interior.

 

[Jantrix]

Attention Cannonballers.

Guys, I have a neat idea for next year’s Cannonball. Hear me out.

2019 is the next running of the Peking to Paris Rally. For those that haven’t heard of it, it’s a rally that began in the early 1900’s and was discontinued for some time but recently revived. Only cars prior to 1976 are allowed. It starts in China, goes up through Mongolia, through the length of Russia, into western Europe, then eastern Europe to finish in Paris to wine, women and song. It takes about a month to complete. There are several classes. I’m attaching a .pdf with the rules.

Now I know an organized race is hard to stomach for such hardened vehicular outlaws such as ourselves, but I think this might be a fun alternative for next year’s run. Please do some Google searching on some P2P racers, it looks like a great time with some truly unique racers. I’ve been planning a model of a P2P racer recently, and it occurred to me it might be a fun Cannonball.

Please check out the website and the rules and let me know what you think. This is very likely the toughest automotive endurance race on the planet. I think its time we put our stamp on it.

http://www.endurorally.com/pages/the-peking-to-paris-motor-challenge-2019

P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf

[Jantrix]

These are the entrants from the 2016 running so you can see what sort of vehicles are being driven.

Vintageant Category - pre 1941 model cars
30	Phil Garratt / Kieron Brown	Chevrolet Fangio Coupe	4:00:00	257:23:58	1	1	G
14	Bruce Washington / Ben Washington	Chrysler 75 Roadster	4:00:00	258:19:52	2	1	G
38	Mike Reeves / Michelle Jana Chan	Ford Coupe	4:00:00	259:26:40	3	2	G
26	Tony Strelzow / Lee Strelzow	Bentley Drophead	4:00:00	260:11:14	4	3	G
6	Daniel Woodcock / Tony Woodcock	Bentley 3-4½	4:00:00	260:50:31	5	2	G
2	Erwin Beerens / Gert Mertens	Rolls Royce Silver Ghost	4:00:00	261:29:14	6	3	G
29	Rhys Timms / James Stone	MG SA	4:00:00	261:43:48	7	4	G
34	Dirk Cavens / Jeff Cavens	Chevrolet Coupe	4:00:00	261:43:59	8	5	G
10	Peter Zernial / Udo Fink	MG TC	4:00:00	262:04:57	9	6	S
99	Anton Gonnissen / Inge Willemen	Bentley Sports Special	4:00:00	262:11:58	10	7	G
24	Mike Armstrong / Peter Armstrong	Dodge DR Special	4:00:00	263:13:16	11	8	G
36	Keith Young Jr / Keith Young Sr	Chevrolet Suburban	4:00:00	266:00:16	12	9	S
41	Sam Peters / Enos Reed	Studebaker President	4:00:00	268:41:31	13	10	S
17	Stefan Auer / Harald Lingg	Bentley Open Tourer	4:00:00	270:28:32	14	4	S
23	Mani Dubs / Robi Huber	Rockne Six 75	4:00:00	270:44:44	15	11	S
12	Jock Burridge / Bill Burridge	Buick 25X	4:00:00	271:30:25	16	5	S
25	Arnold Meier / Rudolf Hug	Packard Convertible	4:00:00	273:19:15	17	12	S
33	Glen Duthie / Allan Cullen	Cadillac La Salle	4:00:00	276:20:58	18	13	S
37	Willy Hopflinger / Norbert Thurner	Packard Six 1700	4:00:00	288:19:11	19	14	S
35	Chris Clemons / Tim Clemons	Packard Six	4:00:00	289:41:53	20	15	S
11	Christian Schenk / Balz Eggimann	Bentley 4½ Tourer	4:00:00	297:26:38	21	6	B
21	John Anderson / Gary Anderson	Ford Model A Cabriolet	4:30:00	300:15:55	22	7	B
32	Christian Lalarderie / Christian Morales	Chevrolet Fangio Coupe	4:00:00	303:12:45	23	16	S
3	Nicky Bailey / Nadja Saralam	Ford Model T	4:00:00	306:58:01	24	8	S
1	Ingo Strolz / Werner Gassner	La France Tourer	4:00:00	309:31:20	25	9	S
15	Bill Cleyndert / Mark van Hees	Ford Model A Speedster	4:00:00	318:16:53	26	10	B
8	Lars Rolner / Annette Rolner	Bentley 4½	4:00:00	318:31:05	27	11	B
18	Rod Wade / John Bell	Ford Model A	5:15:00	322:23:39	28	12	B
19	Alan Day / Roger Anderson	Ford Model A	4:00:00	326:51:42	29	13	B
27	Monte Gingery / Phil Putnam	Chrysler Imperial Airflow	4:00:00	350:52:01	30	17	B
22	Philip Noble / David Brown	Rolls Royce Phantom II	4:45:00	352:53:07	31	14	B
31	David Browning / Michael Dow	Bentley 4¼ MX Saloon	4:00:00	354:15:17	32	18	B
42	Ed Haag / Ernie Johnson	Ford Super Deluxe	4:00:00	437:54:15	33	19	B
7	Jenny Mah / Loren Cocking	Ford Model A Phaeton	4:00:00	445:00:37	34	15	B
28	Daniel Schoch / Shaneen Pointing	Bentley Sports Derby	4:30:00	464:49:57	35	20
40	Willy Van Loon / Chris Torfs	Pontiac Deluxe	4:00:00	Unclassified
4	Robert Wilkinson / Mark Wilkinson	Bentley 6½ Tourer	-	Retired
39	Pierre Malingreau / Gaby De Coninck	La Salle Cadillac Coupe	-	Retired
16	Dom Bernaz / Guido Somazzi	Rolls Royce 20	-	Retired
20	Jan De Clerck / Jan Imschoot	Delage D6 Tourer	-	Unclassified
5	Matthew Telling / Andrew Wyers	Vauxhall 14/40	-	Unclassified
9	Paul Darrouzet / Ian Brown	Packard Phaeton	-	Unclassified
Classic Category - pre 1975 model cars
90	Gerry Crown / Matt Bryson	Leyland P76	4:00:00	237:30:10	1	1	G
63	Peter Lovett / Tim Smith	Porsche 911	4:00:00	237:49:22	2	1	G
87	Robbie Sherrard / Peter Washington	Citroen DS23	4:00:00	238:09:47	3	2	G
51	Paul Kirkham / Mariella Kirkham	Datsun P510	4:00:00	238:36:20	4	2	G
50	Richard White / Richard Scott	Volvo 122S	4:00:00	238:55:13	5	3	G
86	John Rich / John Rich III	Toyota Landcruiser FJ40	4:00:00	238:59:12	6	3	G
61	Evgenii Smirnov / Boris Lytkin	Moskvitch 412	4:00:00	239:33:13	7	4	G
57	Gianmaria Aghem / Piergiovanni Fiorio Trono	Lancia Fulvia Coupe	4:00:00	239:37:05	8	5	G
59	Hans-Peter Schaerli / Marc Schaerli	Volkswagen Beetle	4:00:00	240:04:09	9	6	G
53	Kerry Finn / Kevin Finn	Volvo 142	4:00:00	240:11:44	10	7	G
56	Allison Cotes / Peter Cotes	Volvo 144	4:00:00	240:55:15	11	8	G
93	Richard Everingham / Seonaid Beningfield	Bentley R Type	4:00:00	241:10:38	12	4	G
70	Gerard Besson / Marie-Odile Besson	Renault Fregate	4:00:00	241:23:22	13	5	G
46	Mario Illien / Noele Illien	Citroen 11B	4:00:00	241:24:26	14	9	S
83	Mick de Haas / Anthony Verloop	Mercedes 280 SE	4:00:00	241:27:21	15	6	G
69	Dirk de Groen / Alexandra de Lespinasse	Mercedes Benz 219	4:00:00	241:45:29	16	7	G
48	Stephen Partridge / Corgi La Grouw	Morris Oxford	4:00:00	242:02:12	17	10	G
89	Shubun Kitami / Hirofumi Igarashi	Bentley MkVI	4:00:00	242:27:40	18	8	S
74	Willem Vermeulen / Ellen Vermeulen	Jaguar MkII	4:00:00	242:32:44	19	9	G
79	Hermann Frye-Hammelmann / Jovan Markovic	Mercedes Benz 300SE	4:00:00	243:10:49	20	10	S
77	Markus Kirchgeorg / Roman Kainz	Mercedes Benz 300SE	4:00:00	244:08:32	21	11	S
88	Jesse Smaal / Jack Boers	Studebaker Power Hawk	4:00:00	244:41:29	22	12	G
47	Henry Rohrer / Adi Herzog	Porsche 356A	4:00:00	244:55:51	23	11	S
84	Mike Velasco / Derek Sloan	Mercedes 280S	4:00:00	250:28:13	24	13	S
82	Ludovic Bois / Julia Colman	Volvo Amazon	4:00:00	251:14:42	25	14	S
55	John Layzell / Brett Layzell	Volkswagen Beetle	4:00:00	251:43:33	26	12	S
52	Phil Burgan / John Wright	Volvo Saloon	4:00:00	252:13:54	27	13	S
78	Mike Killingsworth / James Killingsworth	Holden EH	4:00:00	262:04:43	28	15	B
100	Peter St George / David Gainer	Holden 48-215 FX	4:00:00	262:57:25	29	16	S
80	Hans Middelberg / Malcolm Rose	Ford Mustang Convertible	4:00:00	265:44:52	30	17	S
67	Michel Leempoel / Camille Van Vooren	Chevrolet Pick-Up	4:00:00	269:12:44	31	18	B
58	Yasuaki Iwasaki / Takeshi Akiyama	Nissan Fairlady 240 Z	4:00:00	273:43:50	32	14	S
98	Brian Shields / Chantal Shields	Ford Mustang	4:00:00	274:16:42	33	19	S
68	Tadeusz Wesolowski / Piotr Lubaczewski	Jaguar XK150	4:00:00	277:11:34	34	20	B
95	Kim Widrick / Len Treeter	Chevrolet Impala	4:00:00	279:34:43	35	21	B
72	Roland Singer / Christoph Ley	Mercedes 220S Ponton	4:00:00	284:31:12	36	22	S
81	Keith Ashworth / Norah Ashworth	Mercedes 230 Fintail	4:00:00	291:25:39	37	23	B
91	Philippe Clamens / Jose Lourseau	Mercedes 450 SLC	4:00:00	292:19:33	38	24	B
49	Phil Cuerel / Rela Hoenner-Zullig	Porsche 356C	4:00:00	294:47:01	39	15	S
60	Maryse Clamens / Antoine Sanchez	Peugeot 504 Berline	4:00:00	295:44:37	40	16	B
85	Ulrich Koerner / Hans Fueglistaler	Porsche 911	4:00:00	311:43:51	41	25	B
96	Lutz Menge / Florian Grashorn	Ford Mustang Fastback	4:00:00	313:38:23	42	26	B
64	Stan Gold / Brant Parsons	Porsche 911	4:00:00	331:08:19	43	17	B
75	Tony Smyth / Malcolm Lister	Rover 100	4:00:00	334:50:17	44	27	B
73	Barry Nash / Neil Ridley	Rover 80	4:00:00	352:08:09	45	28	B
94	Kazuyuki Sugiyama / Katsumaro Chikushi	Bentley R Saloon	4:00:00	369:10:29	46	29
62	Hitoshi Kato / Marc Ollier	Renault 4	4:00:00	371:17:49	47	18	B
97	Jan Pettersson / Cathrine Ockernahl	Mercury Park Lane	4:00:00	406:04:35	48	30	B
71	Daniel Spadini / Alexandra Spadini	Jaguar Mk1	16:00:00	447:32:10	49	31
66	Albert Bessudo / Joanin Bernard	Jaguar XK120	16:00:00	Retired
65	Trish van Zyl / Robert van Zyl	Chevrolet Stylemaster	16:00:00	Unclassified
92	Peter Davies / Emma Wilkinson	Chevrolet C10	-	Retired
76	Ron Solomon / Matt Keeler	Mercedes 220 SE	-	Retired
54	Garrick L. Staples / Hayden Burvill	Volkswagen Beetle	-	Retired

[Pete J.]

This could be interesting!  Lots to choose from.  Probably have to run under a P to P banner though.  Two radically different challenges. 

[MeatMan]

Lots of stuff there to challenge contestants as far as build parameters, and lots of variety as far as car type. I'd be okay with it, especially since I won't make the finish this year.

[Belugawrx]

3 hours ago, Pete J. said:

 Probably have to run under a P to P banner though.  Two radically different challenges. 

I agree,..a very different race,...are those the finish times...?      237:30:10

                                                                                                          hrs / min / sec

I like it...as a new race

[Jantrix]

16 hours ago, Belugawrx said:

I agree,..a very different race,...are those the finish times...?      237:30:10

                                                                                                          hrs / min / sec

I like it...as a new race

I believe so. However as a rally, it's not all in one non-stop race. It's 33 days of time trials and legs to the next time trial location. So it's cumulative time in the drivers seat. 

http://www2.endurorally.com/pp2013/results.php

19 hours ago, Pete J. said:

This could be interesting!  Lots to choose from.  Probably have to run under a P to P banner though.  Two radically different challenges. 

I agree about the new race part. It would not be the Cannonball Run. It would be something like the MCM Peking to Paris Rally brought to you by the Cannonball Drivers Association. And there would not be a Cannonball Run next year running concurrently, so you won't have to choose one or the other if your build time is as limited as mine has been lately. I'm really amazed that I finished my racer this year. It's been crazy at my farm.

Lastly, this deviation from our normal runs will be an exception, not the rule. The year following we'll be back terrorizing  the streets of America.

 

[zenrat]

Peking to Paris?

I'd be thinking of something like this...

https://www.kitformservices.com/standard.html

 

Yes, i've awoken from hibernation now the weather's warming up down here.  I've been working on the Bugatti's engine and i've built a DOHC cylinder head and a sheet metal blower manifold for it.
Bugatti Royale WIP 04-10-2018 by Fred Maillardet, on Flickr
I'm also scratching up a manual transmission and will then get to work on the chassis which is going to need some rearrangement and reinforcement if it's going to take the 4wd and Independent suspension.

I haven't had time to browse all the posts since I was last here but what I have seen all look to be very promising contenders for second.

Edited October 5, 2018 by zenrat

[Jantrix]

27 minutes ago, zenrat said:

Peking to Paris?

I'd be thinking of something like this...

 

That shouldn't be necessary. We go around the Middle East. Nothing puts the damper on a rally like a rowdy group of jihadies. 

Fred it's good to see you back. We were fixing to contact the Australian authorities to see if you'd been eaten by a rabid wombat. Looking forward to seeing the Bugatti take shape. Get to it.

[Pete J.]

1 hour ago, Jantrix said:

That shouldn't be necessary. We go around the Middle East. Nothing puts the damper on a rally like a rowdy group of jihadies. 

 

Well maybe not jihadies but you are running through the Mongol Hordes and across the wilds of Siberia for a good portion of the race. This looks like a "gentlemen's" race but a large portion seems to be on unpaved roads and in crazy weather conditions.   I would feel a lot more comfortable with some serious truck around me!  Perhaps just as a support vehicle if nothing else. Perhaps an old WWII Dodge power wagon would be a good choice!

 

Edited October 5, 2018 by Pete J.

[Jantrix]

3 hours ago, Pete J. said:

This looks like a "gentlemen's" race but a large portion seems to be on unpaved roads and in crazy weather conditions.   

Quite right. So horsepower and handling will take a back seat to ride height, traction, stability and torque. Fuel economy even. With three classes, there are a lot of options. There are build rules but they are rather loose. The more I read about this rally, the more I want to do it in real life. If I ever win the lottery, I'll be there with bells on. 

Please chime in here racers, unless I get a whole lot of no thank you's, this is likely gonna be next years run.

If I do get enough negative reaction, I will honor the groups wishes and a normal Cannonball CBP will be run.

Edited October 5, 2018 by Jantrix

[Pete J.]

6 hours ago, Jantrix said:

Quite right. So horsepower and handling will take a back seat to ride height, traction, stability and torque. Fuel economy even. With three classes, there are a lot of options. There are build rules but they are rather loose. The more I read about this rally, the more I want to do it in real life. If I ever win the lottery, I'll be there with bells on. 

Please chime in here racers, unless I get a whole lot of no thank you's, this is likely gonna be next years run.

If I do get enough negative reaction, I will honor the groups wishes and a normal Cannonball CBP will be run.

What surprises me are the number of very expensive "classic" cars in this rallye.  I suspect it is more about finishing rather than how fast you did it. Kind of an old style adventure.  I also would love to do this the first year after I won the lottery!  Perhaps we could share driving duties? Perhaps a Porsche?

 

[Pat Minarick]

Rob ,sounds interesting, after reading the rules for a qualifying car it said no military vehicles, trucks,  trailers ,or support vehicles. Cars are pretty much stock and period correct , carrying your own tools, spare tires and parts. Will that be the rules we follow?

[Jantrix]

Pat I'd say that doing anything besides following the actual rules of the P2P would be wrong.

As for stock - not hardly - it's more of a period race car. Check out this '40 Ford that placed third in 2013. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/

 

[Pat Minarick]

3 hours ago, Jantrix said:

Pat I'd say that doing anything besides following the actual rules of the P2P would be wrong.

As for stock - not hardly - it's more of a period race car. Check out this '40 Ford that placed third in 2013. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/

 

Thanks Rob , got it now. This would give me a good excuse to build something I've been wanting to.

[da_ashman]

I like the idea, could be a great challenge.

[zenrat]

The Wombats are fine, its the Drop Bears you've got to watch out for.

Enough of next year.  I've been bracing the Bugatti chassis (as stock it'd be a bit of a flexi flyer).  That's a 14:71 Top Fuel blower hanging off the side and the early Hemi sitting in front of it is to give some sense of perspective - this thing is f**kin' enormous!

Bugatti Royale WIP 08-10-2018 by Fred Maillardet, on Flickr

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by zenrat

[Jantrix]

That's looking insane Fred. 

[Fat Brian]

I'm almost ready for paint but it looks like it will be raining here for the foreseeable future. I'm running out of things to do with the body in primer. I need to get it attached to the chassis to get the final tire fitment and finish the engine plumbing.

[MeatMan]

Awesome Stang!

[zenrat]

Bugatti's front suspension is coming along.  There's a diff nailed in place and upper and lower A arms are built.  Coil-overs are next.
I can't start on the rear until I get the front completed as I need the ride height set.

 

[da_ashman]

Been making some good progress lately. The turbo position was difficult, they keep getting knocked off, then weren't on the right angle / symmetrical / height etc, but I'm pretty happy with them now. Once I had them in the right position I could then finish the piping, made them up, painted them, Molotov chrome pen & then a healthy coat of clear brown. these parts didn't need to be perfect as they were mostly buried deep in the engine bay. Once the piping was done then everything else could be added, Got the exhaust mounted too, now on to the cockpit! Other progress made was wet sanding the body to get it nice & level & then its been clearcoat with Alclads Matte clear coat. I'll get some better pics of the body tonight.

For next year I havnt been able to stop thinking about what i want to do ( Thanks Jantrix) but now I've pretty much made a decision, now just need to look at sourcing what I need. I think its a really cool idea! "Cannonball Abroad - Pekang to Paris" could be a good title...

[Jantrix]

14 hours ago, da_ashman said:

For next year I havnt been able to stop thinking about what i want to do ( Thanks Jantrix)

You are quite welcome!  I have the same problem. Happy to pass on the madness.

[Fat Brian]

More progress on the Mustang. The final coat of clear is drying on the body and I've got the engine about 90% done.