Lunajammer Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 Late-season update: Nothing done. But with the northern chill moving in, it's almost model season again.
da_ashman Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Havent made alot of progress lately, I semi stopped to participate in a Instragram 1 month build, now that its over its back to the Soviet Silvia! Made up a bunch of hoses & wiring, Managed to get the engine mounted to the chassis, now lots of auxiliary stuff needs to be made / added before moving on to the interior.
Jantrix Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 Attention Cannonballers. Guys, I have a neat idea for next year’s Cannonball. Hear me out. 2019 is the next running of the Peking to Paris Rally. For those that haven’t heard of it, it’s a rally that began in the early 1900’s and was discontinued for some time but recently revived. Only cars prior to 1976 are allowed. It starts in China, goes up through Mongolia, through the length of Russia, into western Europe, then eastern Europe to finish in Paris to wine, women and song. It takes about a month to complete. There are several classes. I’m attaching a .pdf with the rules. Now I know an organized race is hard to stomach for such hardened vehicular outlaws such as ourselves, but I think this might be a fun alternative for next year’s run. Please do some Google searching on some P2P racers, it looks like a great time with some truly unique racers. I’ve been planning a model of a P2P racer recently, and it occurred to me it might be a fun Cannonball. Please check out the website and the rules and let me know what you think. This is very likely the toughest automotive endurance race on the planet. I think its time we put our stamp on it. http://www.endurorally.com/pages/the-peking-to-paris-motor-challenge-2019 P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf
Jantrix Posted October 4, 2018 Author Posted October 4, 2018 These are the entrants from the 2016 running so you can see what sort of vehicles are being driven. Vintageant Category - pre 1941 model cars 30 Phil Garratt / Kieron Brown Chevrolet Fangio Coupe 4:00:00 257:23:58 1 1 G 14 Bruce Washington / Ben Washington Chrysler 75 Roadster 4:00:00 258:19:52 2 1 G 38 Mike Reeves / Michelle Jana Chan Ford Coupe 4:00:00 259:26:40 3 2 G 26 Tony Strelzow / Lee Strelzow Bentley Drophead 4:00:00 260:11:14 4 3 G 6 Daniel Woodcock / Tony Woodcock Bentley 3-4½ 4:00:00 260:50:31 5 2 G 2 Erwin Beerens / Gert Mertens Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 4:00:00 261:29:14 6 3 G 29 Rhys Timms / James Stone MG SA 4:00:00 261:43:48 7 4 G 34 Dirk Cavens / Jeff Cavens Chevrolet Coupe 4:00:00 261:43:59 8 5 G 10 Peter Zernial / Udo Fink MG TC 4:00:00 262:04:57 9 6 S 99 Anton Gonnissen / Inge Willemen Bentley Sports Special 4:00:00 262:11:58 10 7 G 24 Mike Armstrong / Peter Armstrong Dodge DR Special 4:00:00 263:13:16 11 8 G 36 Keith Young Jr / Keith Young Sr Chevrolet Suburban 4:00:00 266:00:16 12 9 S 41 Sam Peters / Enos Reed Studebaker President 4:00:00 268:41:31 13 10 S 17 Stefan Auer / Harald Lingg Bentley Open Tourer 4:00:00 270:28:32 14 4 S 23 Mani Dubs / Robi Huber Rockne Six 75 4:00:00 270:44:44 15 11 S 12 Jock Burridge / Bill Burridge Buick 25X 4:00:00 271:30:25 16 5 S 25 Arnold Meier / Rudolf Hug Packard Convertible 4:00:00 273:19:15 17 12 S 33 Glen Duthie / Allan Cullen Cadillac La Salle 4:00:00 276:20:58 18 13 S 37 Willy Hopflinger / Norbert Thurner Packard Six 1700 4:00:00 288:19:11 19 14 S 35 Chris Clemons / Tim Clemons Packard Six 4:00:00 289:41:53 20 15 S 11 Christian Schenk / Balz Eggimann Bentley 4½ Tourer 4:00:00 297:26:38 21 6 B 21 John Anderson / Gary Anderson Ford Model A Cabriolet 4:30:00 300:15:55 22 7 B 32 Christian Lalarderie / Christian Morales Chevrolet Fangio Coupe 4:00:00 303:12:45 23 16 S 3 Nicky Bailey / Nadja Saralam Ford Model T 4:00:00 306:58:01 24 8 S 1 Ingo Strolz / Werner Gassner La France Tourer 4:00:00 309:31:20 25 9 S 15 Bill Cleyndert / Mark van Hees Ford Model A Speedster 4:00:00 318:16:53 26 10 B 8 Lars Rolner / Annette Rolner Bentley 4½ 4:00:00 318:31:05 27 11 B 18 Rod Wade / John Bell Ford Model A 5:15:00 322:23:39 28 12 B 19 Alan Day / Roger Anderson Ford Model A 4:00:00 326:51:42 29 13 B 27 Monte Gingery / Phil Putnam Chrysler Imperial Airflow 4:00:00 350:52:01 30 17 B 22 Philip Noble / David Brown Rolls Royce Phantom II 4:45:00 352:53:07 31 14 B 31 David Browning / Michael Dow Bentley 4¼ MX Saloon 4:00:00 354:15:17 32 18 B 42 Ed Haag / Ernie Johnson Ford Super Deluxe 4:00:00 437:54:15 33 19 B 7 Jenny Mah / Loren Cocking Ford Model A Phaeton 4:00:00 445:00:37 34 15 B 28 Daniel Schoch / Shaneen Pointing Bentley Sports Derby 4:30:00 464:49:57 35 20 40 Willy Van Loon / Chris Torfs Pontiac Deluxe 4:00:00 Unclassified 4 Robert Wilkinson / Mark Wilkinson Bentley 6½ Tourer - Retired 39 Pierre Malingreau / Gaby De Coninck La Salle Cadillac Coupe - Retired 16 Dom Bernaz / Guido Somazzi Rolls Royce 20 - Retired 20 Jan De Clerck / Jan Imschoot Delage D6 Tourer - Unclassified 5 Matthew Telling / Andrew Wyers Vauxhall 14/40 - Unclassified 9 Paul Darrouzet / Ian Brown Packard Phaeton - Unclassified Classic Category - pre 1975 model cars 90 Gerry Crown / Matt Bryson Leyland P76 4:00:00 237:30:10 1 1 G 63 Peter Lovett / Tim Smith Porsche 911 4:00:00 237:49:22 2 1 G 87 Robbie Sherrard / Peter Washington Citroen DS23 4:00:00 238:09:47 3 2 G 51 Paul Kirkham / Mariella Kirkham Datsun P510 4:00:00 238:36:20 4 2 G 50 Richard White / Richard Scott Volvo 122S 4:00:00 238:55:13 5 3 G 86 John Rich / John Rich III Toyota Landcruiser FJ40 4:00:00 238:59:12 6 3 G 61 Evgenii Smirnov / Boris Lytkin Moskvitch 412 4:00:00 239:33:13 7 4 G 57 Gianmaria Aghem / Piergiovanni Fiorio Trono Lancia Fulvia Coupe 4:00:00 239:37:05 8 5 G 59 Hans-Peter Schaerli / Marc Schaerli Volkswagen Beetle 4:00:00 240:04:09 9 6 G 53 Kerry Finn / Kevin Finn Volvo 142 4:00:00 240:11:44 10 7 G 56 Allison Cotes / Peter Cotes Volvo 144 4:00:00 240:55:15 11 8 G 93 Richard Everingham / Seonaid Beningfield Bentley R Type 4:00:00 241:10:38 12 4 G 70 Gerard Besson / Marie-Odile Besson Renault Fregate 4:00:00 241:23:22 13 5 G 46 Mario Illien / Noele Illien Citroen 11B 4:00:00 241:24:26 14 9 S 83 Mick de Haas / Anthony Verloop Mercedes 280 SE 4:00:00 241:27:21 15 6 G 69 Dirk de Groen / Alexandra de Lespinasse Mercedes Benz 219 4:00:00 241:45:29 16 7 G 48 Stephen Partridge / Corgi La Grouw Morris Oxford 4:00:00 242:02:12 17 10 G 89 Shubun Kitami / Hirofumi Igarashi Bentley MkVI 4:00:00 242:27:40 18 8 S 74 Willem Vermeulen / Ellen Vermeulen Jaguar MkII 4:00:00 242:32:44 19 9 G 79 Hermann Frye-Hammelmann / Jovan Markovic Mercedes Benz 300SE 4:00:00 243:10:49 20 10 S 77 Markus Kirchgeorg / Roman Kainz Mercedes Benz 300SE 4:00:00 244:08:32 21 11 S 88 Jesse Smaal / Jack Boers Studebaker Power Hawk 4:00:00 244:41:29 22 12 G 47 Henry Rohrer / Adi Herzog Porsche 356A 4:00:00 244:55:51 23 11 S 84 Mike Velasco / Derek Sloan Mercedes 280S 4:00:00 250:28:13 24 13 S 82 Ludovic Bois / Julia Colman Volvo Amazon 4:00:00 251:14:42 25 14 S 55 John Layzell / Brett Layzell Volkswagen Beetle 4:00:00 251:43:33 26 12 S 52 Phil Burgan / John Wright Volvo Saloon 4:00:00 252:13:54 27 13 S 78 Mike Killingsworth / James Killingsworth Holden EH 4:00:00 262:04:43 28 15 B 100 Peter St George / David Gainer Holden 48-215 FX 4:00:00 262:57:25 29 16 S 80 Hans Middelberg / Malcolm Rose Ford Mustang Convertible 4:00:00 265:44:52 30 17 S 67 Michel Leempoel / Camille Van Vooren Chevrolet Pick-Up 4:00:00 269:12:44 31 18 B 58 Yasuaki Iwasaki / Takeshi Akiyama Nissan Fairlady 240 Z 4:00:00 273:43:50 32 14 S 98 Brian Shields / Chantal Shields Ford Mustang 4:00:00 274:16:42 33 19 S 68 Tadeusz Wesolowski / Piotr Lubaczewski Jaguar XK150 4:00:00 277:11:34 34 20 B 95 Kim Widrick / Len Treeter Chevrolet Impala 4:00:00 279:34:43 35 21 B 72 Roland Singer / Christoph Ley Mercedes 220S Ponton 4:00:00 284:31:12 36 22 S 81 Keith Ashworth / Norah Ashworth Mercedes 230 Fintail 4:00:00 291:25:39 37 23 B 91 Philippe Clamens / Jose Lourseau Mercedes 450 SLC 4:00:00 292:19:33 38 24 B 49 Phil Cuerel / Rela Hoenner-Zullig Porsche 356C 4:00:00 294:47:01 39 15 S 60 Maryse Clamens / Antoine Sanchez Peugeot 504 Berline 4:00:00 295:44:37 40 16 B 85 Ulrich Koerner / Hans Fueglistaler Porsche 911 4:00:00 311:43:51 41 25 B 96 Lutz Menge / Florian Grashorn Ford Mustang Fastback 4:00:00 313:38:23 42 26 B 64 Stan Gold / Brant Parsons Porsche 911 4:00:00 331:08:19 43 17 B 75 Tony Smyth / Malcolm Lister Rover 100 4:00:00 334:50:17 44 27 B 73 Barry Nash / Neil Ridley Rover 80 4:00:00 352:08:09 45 28 B 94 Kazuyuki Sugiyama / Katsumaro Chikushi Bentley R Saloon 4:00:00 369:10:29 46 29 62 Hitoshi Kato / Marc Ollier Renault 4 4:00:00 371:17:49 47 18 B 97 Jan Pettersson / Cathrine Ockernahl Mercury Park Lane 4:00:00 406:04:35 48 30 B 71 Daniel Spadini / Alexandra Spadini Jaguar Mk1 16:00:00 447:32:10 49 31 66 Albert Bessudo / Joanin Bernard Jaguar XK120 16:00:00 Retired 65 Trish van Zyl / Robert van Zyl Chevrolet Stylemaster 16:00:00 Unclassified 92 Peter Davies / Emma Wilkinson Chevrolet C10 - Retired 76 Ron Solomon / Matt Keeler Mercedes 220 SE - Retired 54 Garrick L. Staples / Hayden Burvill Volkswagen Beetle - Retired
Pete J. Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 This could be interesting! Lots to choose from. Probably have to run under a P to P banner though. Two radically different challenges.
MeatMan Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Lots of stuff there to challenge contestants as far as build parameters, and lots of variety as far as car type. I'd be okay with it, especially since I won't make the finish this year.
Belugawrx Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Pete J. said: Probably have to run under a P to P banner though. Two radically different challenges. I agree,..a very different race,...are those the finish times...? 237:30:10 hrs / min / sec I like it...as a new race
Jantrix Posted October 5, 2018 Author Posted October 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Belugawrx said: I agree,..a very different race,...are those the finish times...? 237:30:10 hrs / min / sec I like it...as a new race I believe so. However as a rally, it's not all in one non-stop race. It's 33 days of time trials and legs to the next time trial location. So it's cumulative time in the drivers seat. http://www2.endurorally.com/pp2013/results.php 19 hours ago, Pete J. said: This could be interesting! Lots to choose from. Probably have to run under a P to P banner though. Two radically different challenges. I agree about the new race part. It would not be the Cannonball Run. It would be something like the MCM Peking to Paris Rally brought to you by the Cannonball Drivers Association. And there would not be a Cannonball Run next year running concurrently, so you won't have to choose one or the other if your build time is as limited as mine has been lately. I'm really amazed that I finished my racer this year. It's been crazy at my farm. Lastly, this deviation from our normal runs will be an exception, not the rule. The year following we'll be back terrorizing the streets of America.
zenrat Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) Peking to Paris? I'd be thinking of something like this... https://www.kitformservices.com/standard.html Yes, i've awoken from hibernation now the weather's warming up down here. I've been working on the Bugatti's engine and i've built a DOHC cylinder head and a sheet metal blower manifold for it.Bugatti Royale WIP 04-10-2018 by Fred Maillardet, on Flickr I'm also scratching up a manual transmission and will then get to work on the chassis which is going to need some rearrangement and reinforcement if it's going to take the 4wd and Independent suspension. I haven't had time to browse all the posts since I was last here but what I have seen all look to be very promising contenders for second. Edited October 5, 2018 by zenrat
Jantrix Posted October 5, 2018 Author Posted October 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, zenrat said: Peking to Paris? I'd be thinking of something like this... That shouldn't be necessary. We go around the Middle East. Nothing puts the damper on a rally like a rowdy group of jihadies. Fred it's good to see you back. We were fixing to contact the Australian authorities to see if you'd been eaten by a rabid wombat. Looking forward to seeing the Bugatti take shape. Get to it.
Pete J. Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jantrix said: That shouldn't be necessary. We go around the Middle East. Nothing puts the damper on a rally like a rowdy group of jihadies. Well maybe not jihadies but you are running through the Mongol Hordes and across the wilds of Siberia for a good portion of the race. This looks like a "gentlemen's" race but a large portion seems to be on unpaved roads and in crazy weather conditions. I would feel a lot more comfortable with some serious truck around me! Perhaps just as a support vehicle if nothing else. Perhaps an old WWII Dodge power wagon would be a good choice! Edited October 5, 2018 by Pete J.
Jantrix Posted October 5, 2018 Author Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pete J. said: This looks like a "gentlemen's" race but a large portion seems to be on unpaved roads and in crazy weather conditions. Quite right. So horsepower and handling will take a back seat to ride height, traction, stability and torque. Fuel economy even. With three classes, there are a lot of options. There are build rules but they are rather loose. The more I read about this rally, the more I want to do it in real life. If I ever win the lottery, I'll be there with bells on. Please chime in here racers, unless I get a whole lot of no thank you's, this is likely gonna be next years run. If I do get enough negative reaction, I will honor the groups wishes and a normal Cannonball CBP will be run. Edited October 5, 2018 by Jantrix
Pete J. Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Jantrix said: Quite right. So horsepower and handling will take a back seat to ride height, traction, stability and torque. Fuel economy even. With three classes, there are a lot of options. There are build rules but they are rather loose. The more I read about this rally, the more I want to do it in real life. If I ever win the lottery, I'll be there with bells on. Please chime in here racers, unless I get a whole lot of no thank you's, this is likely gonna be next years run. If I do get enough negative reaction, I will honor the groups wishes and a normal Cannonball CBP will be run. What surprises me are the number of very expensive "classic" cars in this rallye. I suspect it is more about finishing rather than how fast you did it. Kind of an old style adventure. I also would love to do this the first year after I won the lottery! Perhaps we could share driving duties? Perhaps a Porsche?
Pat Minarick Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 Rob ,sounds interesting, after reading the rules for a qualifying car it said no military vehicles, trucks, trailers ,or support vehicles. Cars are pretty much stock and period correct , carrying your own tools, spare tires and parts. Will that be the rules we follow?
Jantrix Posted October 6, 2018 Author Posted October 6, 2018 Pat I'd say that doing anything besides following the actual rules of the P2P would be wrong. As for stock - not hardly - it's more of a period race car. Check out this '40 Ford that placed third in 2013. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/
Pat Minarick Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Jantrix said: Pat I'd say that doing anything besides following the actual rules of the P2P would be wrong. As for stock - not hardly - it's more of a period race car. Check out this '40 Ford that placed third in 2013. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/ Thanks Rob , got it now. This would give me a good excuse to build something I've been wanting to.
zenrat Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) The Wombats are fine, its the Drop Bears you've got to watch out for. Enough of next year. I've been bracing the Bugatti chassis (as stock it'd be a bit of a flexi flyer). That's a 14:71 Top Fuel blower hanging off the side and the early Hemi sitting in front of it is to give some sense of perspective - this thing is f**kin' enormous! Bugatti Royale WIP 08-10-2018 by Fred Maillardet, on Flickr Edited October 8, 2018 by zenrat
Fat Brian Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I'm almost ready for paint but it looks like it will be raining here for the foreseeable future. I'm running out of things to do with the body in primer. I need to get it attached to the chassis to get the final tire fitment and finish the engine plumbing.
zenrat Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Bugatti's front suspension is coming along. There's a diff nailed in place and upper and lower A arms are built. Coil-overs are next. I can't start on the rear until I get the front completed as I need the ride height set.
da_ashman Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Been making some good progress lately. The turbo position was difficult, they keep getting knocked off, then weren't on the right angle / symmetrical / height etc, but I'm pretty happy with them now. Once I had them in the right position I could then finish the piping, made them up, painted them, Molotov chrome pen & then a healthy coat of clear brown. these parts didn't need to be perfect as they were mostly buried deep in the engine bay. Once the piping was done then everything else could be added, Got the exhaust mounted too, now on to the cockpit! Other progress made was wet sanding the body to get it nice & level & then its been clearcoat with Alclads Matte clear coat. I'll get some better pics of the body tonight. For next year I havnt been able to stop thinking about what i want to do ( Thanks Jantrix) but now I've pretty much made a decision, now just need to look at sourcing what I need. I think its a really cool idea! "Cannonball Abroad - Pekang to Paris" could be a good title...
Jantrix Posted October 15, 2018 Author Posted October 15, 2018 14 hours ago, da_ashman said: For next year I havnt been able to stop thinking about what i want to do ( Thanks Jantrix) You are quite welcome! I have the same problem. Happy to pass on the madness.
Fat Brian Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 More progress on the Mustang. The final coat of clear is drying on the body and I've got the engine about 90% done.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now