1/25 AMT Y-193 '69 Camaro Kit History & Evolution

[unclescott58]

8 minutes ago, Snake45 said:

There was NO tool sharing going on between AMT and MPC on the '68-'69 Camaros, I can assure you. Two completely, entirely different kits. 

Your confusion comes from the fact that what's left of the old MPC '69 Camaro has been reissued at least once in an AMT box, but there is not one original AMT piece in it. 

The original annual AMT '69 Camaro is quite nice, and holds up well in comparison to the Revell. In some ways it's actually more accurate, though not quite as detailed in chassis and so forth. It lives on today in the body of the Funny Hugger funny car, though the wheel openings have been altered. 

The Monogram (introduced in the '70s) is a 1/24 scale turd. Although we had nothing else to work with for a couple decades, there is no reason to waste time on one today. 

 

No confusion Snake because of someone like Ertl re boxing an MPC kit as an AMT. It's just in some cases, some kits and tooling were shared between AMT, MPC, and JoHan. I'm not saying all of the same subject were from the same tool. But, some were. I do know for example the AMT and MPC Corvettes were not. But any Olds Toronado, under AMT, MPC, and JoHan were. I did not know if this was case between the 1st generations Camaros or not. I know the 2nd gen Camaros are from separate tools. 

I also think it would still be interesting still to see the old AMT '69 Camaro compared to the MPC version. 

[Snake45]

51 minutes ago, unclescott58 said:

I also think it would still be interesting still to see the old AMT '69 Camaro compared to the MPC version. 

Good luck with that. There aren't that many original AMT '69 Camaros floating around here anymore, though I believe BR67 in South Africa has recently been working on one. 

I did a post where I compared the MPC and the Revell, and the Revell body is VERY similar to the original AMT. I'll see if I can find it for you. 

ETA: Here it is. Be advised that this is the '80s reissue MPC body. The NEW issue AMT body (same basic kit) is much, much worse. 

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Snake45

[Casey]

11 hours ago, unclescott58 said:

One thing I'd like to see here is a comparison of the original AMT kit to the much maligned MPC '69 Camaro.

There's already an existing topic to discuss that, without the need to further derail this topic.

[unclescott58]

Geez. You guys seem a little ticked off over a simple request. Sorry I brought it up. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by unclescott58

[Ctmodeler]

These people on this forum just argue over everything. Jezuz

[Can-Con]

12 hours ago, unclescott58 said:

No confusion Snake because of someone like Ertl re boxing an MPC kit as an AMT. It's just in some cases, some kits and tooling were shared between AMT, MPC, and JoHan. I'm not saying all of the same subject were from the same tool. But, some were. I do know for example the AMT and MPC Corvettes were not. But any Olds Toronado, under AMT, MPC, and JoHan were. I did not know if this was case between the 1st generations Camaros or not. I know the 2nd gen Camaros are from separate tools. 

I also think it would still be interesting still to see the old AMT '69 Camaro compared to the MPC version. 

I'm not ticked off Scott, but I'd just like to point out that although they were very similar, the MPC Toronados were a separate kit from the AMT/JoHan kits. 

It's most apparent in the underhood area.

[unclescott58]

2 hours ago, Can-Con said:

I'm not ticked off Scott, but I'd just like to point out that although they were very similar, the MPC Toronados were a separate kit from the AMT/JoHan kits. 

It's most apparent in the underhood area.

I thought they were the same? Though I did notice one had corner lights. And the other did not. 

[Snake45]

16 hours ago, Snake45 said:

Good luck with that. There aren't that many original AMT '69 Camaros floating around here anymore, though I believe BR67 in South Africa has recently been working on one. 

You can see br67's yellow original AMT '69 Camaro here, page 1019 : 

  

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Snake45

[deuces wild]

Here's one I've never seen before...... Anyone here have this buried in their old stash?????.......

[Snake45]

21 minutes ago, deuces wild said:

Here's one I've never seen before...... Anyone here have this buried in their old stash?????.......

Somebody's phantom box art. Pretty nice job, too. 

[deuces wild]

?☹?...... Oh, well...

[stavanzer]

I wonder if somebody ever cast that body in resin? It sure does look sharp!

[Rob Hall]

4 hours ago, alexis said:

I wonder if somebody ever cast that body in resin? It sure does look sharp!

There is a resin caster on FB that used to cast a Camaro wagon similar to that. Keith (or Kevin?) Kaucher (sp?) IIRC…

[Exotics_Builder]

6 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

There is a resin caster on FB that used to cast a Camaro wagon similar to that. Keith (or Kevin?) Kaucher (sp?) IIRC…

Uses the Revell 69 Camaro kit as the donor

Edited March 8, 2022 by Exotics_Builder

[Bills72sj]

Question, were the all one piece chrome RS grille/headlights kits from MPC? I have built these 3 years ago and cannot remember.

 

[Oldcarfan27]

On 3/28/2020 at 3:42 PM, Snake45 said:

The wheels I'd REALLY like to see back are the Keystone Kustomags from the original issue '69 Riviera. Best Keystones I've ever seen! I used them on a '66 Skylark build. 

Yes you did!!

[Bills72sj]

2 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

Yes you did!!

 

I got some on my 70 Grand Prix build to replicate a 1:1 Grand Prix I once owned. I even had a set of the rare gold version on my very 1st Grand Prix.

 

 

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Bills72sj

[Mark]

5 hours ago, Bills72sj said:

Question, were the all one piece chrome RS grille/headlights kits from MPC? I have built these 3 years ago and cannot remember.

 

Top two are MPC, bottom one looks like Revell.