Round 2 new tools

[64Comet404]

15 minutes ago, tim boyd said:

Dave...my understanding is "yes" and "yes"....and that the '65 Chevelle AWB chassis was shared with the Streaker and one other kit in the original AMT funny car kit series.  

I remember reading that the 'one other kit' body still existed in the tooling bank into the ERTL days. I wonder if it's still there...

[Stef]

8 hours ago, stavanzer said:

I've seen pics of a Streaker kit on EBay. It has a tube chassis much like the one in the Time Machine or Rat Packer Nova. The Trunk Spoiler is in the Hardtop kit, and the Streaker grille is in both kits. If they do a Streaker, I hope it has tinted glass. I need a tinted windshield for a build. 

Right you are, @stavanzer. There are at least a couple slightly different AWB chassis featured on many of these kits, covered elsewhere in these forums. Some of these kits include the Mercury Cyclone funny car, 65 Rat Packer Nova Chevy II, 64/65 Falcon, Mustang, 63 Tempest, 65 Chevelle, 58 Edsel, and a few others, IIRC. HPI Guy has built the Falcon, Nova, and Cyclone, and at one point I catalogued them with screencaps to show similarities and differences.

I found it, here: 

 

Here are screencaps of HPI Guy's coverage of the 64 Olds convertible and 64 Olds 442 hardtop, along with box top, an opened kit for sale on EvilBay™, and a couple buildup shots.

TL;DR: convertible kit only includes tonneau cover, windshield, roll bar thingie. 442 kit only includes rear deck spoiler, roll bar, and what appears to be four tie-down strap thingies. Both kits appear to include the same louvered/domed custom hood and chrome trees (which seems to include those wheelie thingies that hang down beneath the rear bumper). All other drag parts should come with a chassis/interior/tires/engine. All we need is an altered wheelbase 64 Olds (convertible?) body.

Hope this helps, thanks!

[stavanzer]

Stef, Thank You for gathering these Pics!

Awesome!

Thanks , Brother!

[Rob Hall]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:21 PM, 64Comet404 said:

I remember reading that the 'one other kit' body still existed in the tooling bank into the ERTL days. I wonder if it's still there...

I wonder if the 'one other kit' that used that same chassis was the Edsel... 

[iBorg]

My wife appreciates these being offered. Four more kits that won't come home with me.

 

[Stef]

1 hour ago, stavanzer said:

Stef, Thank You for gathering these Pics!

Thank you, @stavanzer, though it seems I may have made a couple errors/oversights:

1) It looks like the wheelstanding thingies hanging below the rear bumper are actually non-chromed pieces. In the open-box pic in the lower-right, they appear to be in the bottom-center, between the roll bar and tires. These parts seem to be specific to the Streaker. I just rechecked HPI Guys' Nova and Falcon AWB videos, and did not see these parts included in either kit.

2) I just realized drag-specific wheels are not included in either Olds kit, so likely, a separate sprue of suitable wheels would need to be included. 

Hope this helps, thanks!

[64Comet404]

14 hours ago, Rob Hall said:

I wonder if the 'one other kit' that used that same chassis was the Edsel... 

It is. Apparently the only parts left from the original tool were the bodyshell and the fender skirts, which is one of the reasons why ERTL cut a new tool.

[Mark]

Besides most of the parts being missing, the Edsel body in the funny car version is r-o-u-g-h.  Between promos, toy store frictions, and kits, it was probably just plain worn out prior to the funny car issue.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Mark
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[Dave Darby]

The Edsel annual would be a great subject for an R2 style cloning. Because the Ertl Edsel is a hot mess.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Dave Darby

[ChrisBcritter]

Thank you, Dave. I'd gladly take a couple of those original bodies, one to fix a damaged annual and one to combine with the Ertl kit to fix a few of its problems (the shape of the rear coves in particular).

Edited February 14, 2023 by ChrisBcritter

[Rob Hall]

A bunch of new releases became available for preorder at various vendors today (Model Roundup, Hobby Search, etc).   AMT '66 Mustang 2+2--March, AMT '68 GTO --March, MPC '81 Chevy pickup--March, AMT '63 Corvette conv--March, AMT '62 Impala convertible--April...lots of good stuff due next month (incl. the previously listed MPC '68 Coronet R/T convertible) ..though I'd assume there may be delays..

Edited February 15, 2023 by Rob Hall

[garagepunk66]

On 2/10/2023 at 12:15 PM, Stef said:

Wow, so much awesome stuff. Want everything, especially the Bronco, Black Beauty, and 65 Chevy AWB. I liked the part where Jamie said "...plenty of opportunities to explore in the future with different makes and models on a shortened wheelbase racing format".

It's only a matter of time before they whip up an altered wheelbase body for their 64 Olds to bring back the Streaker. Seems like pretty much all the other parts are already in the convertible and/or 442 kits.

 

The body tooling for the AWB funny car body already exists. The "hanger shot" that AMT/Round 2 uses to identify the tool has been shown in several threads, including the ones for the current kit. 

[GMP440]

2 hours ago, garagepunk66 said:

The body tooling for the AWB funny car body already exists. The "hanger shot" that AMT/Round 2 uses to identify the tool has been shown in several threads, including the ones for the current kit. 

The hanger shot only shows the stock convertible body, not the awb body.

[Mark]

The hanger shot shows the AWB body, which was originally modified from the convertible configuration of the original annual kit body.  The stock bodies in the current hardtop and convertible kits are both newly tooled, as are the stock bumpers and a couple of other incidental parts.

[GMP440]

2 hours ago, Mark said:

The hanger shot shows the AWB body, which was originally modified from the convertible configuration of the original annual kit body.  The stock bodies in the current hardtop and convertible kits are both newly tooled, as are the stock bumpers and a couple of other incidental parts.

  Here is the hangar shot.  Is there a side view to confirm an awb body?   When this topic first came up; Casey stated that the a-pilars on the body were sacrificed or taken off to do the awb body.  There definetly are no a-pillars on the hangar shot body.  Also, noticed there are no outside door handles as well.  I think you're right, as I take a closer look.  But, does someone have a side view of that hangar shot to confirm it's the awb body?

Edited February 15, 2023 by GMP440
for pic.

[Rob Hall]

14 minutes ago, GMP440 said:

Can you show the hangar shot?

First post in the thread about the '64 Olds Cutlass convertible.

 

[GMP440]

 

  My bad.  You're right.  I zoomed in to read the post-it note on the hangar shot.  It reads " F-85 Funny Car convertible".  Well,  that's good.  Good chance we will see this one come out soon.

[drksd4848]

I just have to ask, why wouldn't they include the engine in the '68 GTO?  Is it just to cut down on costs?

[Stef]

Thanks everyone, for clearing up the mystery over the infamous hanger shot. Been a long time since I'd seen it myself, so now I'm even more excited that Round 2 can and will rerelease this bad boy.

Me personally, thinking I'd like to equip the drag engine with the dual Judson blowers, and use the Dean Jeffries custom grille and taillight panel with the new factory stock bumpers.

[Rob Hall]

1 hour ago, drksd4848 said:

I just have to ask, why wouldn't they include the engine in the '68 GTO?  Is it just to cut down on costs?

Perhaps.  Maybe they will do a 2nd full detail version w/ the engine like they did with the ‘63 Nova wagon. 

[keyser]

65 and 68 GTO ht started as a discovered promos. 
So clone and run. Many sources for engines, or just get it done. 
R2 will expand per demand. 

[drksd4848]

I remember I built a 68 GTO as a kid…Or maybe it was a 69…  I remember it had an engine. it had Judge stickers. Can’t remember who made it though….

Edited February 16, 2023 by drksd4848

[niteowl7710]

2 hours ago, drksd4848 said:

I just have to ask, why wouldn't they include the engine in the '68 GTO?  Is it just to cut down on costs?

Isn't the MPC '68 GTO Annual kit what was updated through the years and now sits as the heap of a '72 GTO? Is that what you want for an engine and chassis? ?

['70 Grande]

My theory, (for what it's worth), is that Round-2 will be producing many of these future 3D-scan/clone/renewed/restored parts reissue kits without engines, sort of a midpoint product between the more promo-like reissues, (think '64 Mercury Caliente), and the more detailed "typical" kit reissues, (think upcoming '68 Dodge Coronet convertible).

The reason; a bit less $-investment and a bit less product-to-store-shelf time needed plus a study to see if the consumer's excitement over the these engine-less reissues, (that most everyone believed would never be seen again), will be strong enough to override any consumer disappointment in the lack of engine parts.

Edited February 16, 2023 by '70 Grande

[drksd4848]

Gotta say, I just watched the 68 GTO video from hpiguy, I think the engine plate in lieu of the engine is a nice idea. You can still paint in detail part of the block and part of the tranny.  If I were building it, I‘d glue the hood on permanently because that’s the one thing that always comes flying off.  It’s almost like a snap together kit.
 

Which begs the question, why didn’t they make it a snap together kit? The Coca-Cola charger kit was snap together and what a fun quick build that was.  I was able to let my 10 year old do it. Which was great because I’m trying to get him into building model cars as well.

Edited February 16, 2023 by drksd4848