Upcoming Round 2 Announcements - MPC Shelby Daytona and "Mach Won" Funny Car

[Sledsel]

1 hour ago, SteveG said:

It's in the range of possibility considering almost no one was dreaming that we'd see the '66 Fastback or the Mach Won kits ever again just a few years ago.  Sales of both will probably drive future plans.   In the meantime, I wouldn't rule out seeing the MPC based '69 Mustang kit first as that tool is workable now. 

-Steve

Anybody know what version the Ertl 69 Mustang come from? I was severely disappointed with that kit considering its obvious undersized body. Prolly close to 1/28 scale.

[Carmak]

1 hour ago, Sledsel said:

Anybody know what version the Ertl 69 Mustang come from? I was severely disappointed with that kit considering its obvious undersized body. Prolly close to 1/28 scale.

That was originally the MPC 69 Mustang. If I remember correctly, it was "recreated" from the Dick Trickle stock car body.

I have an original MPC 70 Mustang (molded in yellow) and it is also small.

[vamach1]

44 minutes ago, Carmak said:

That was originally the MPC 69 Mustang. If I remember correctly, it was "recreated" from the Dick Trickle stock car body.

I have an original MPC 70 Mustang (molded in yellow) and it is also small.

I draw the line on bringing back old kits if the Palmer one is in the mix. ?

[Sledsel]

1 hour ago, Carmak said:

That was originally the MPC 69 Mustang. If I remember correctly, it was "recreated" from the Dick Trickle stock car body.

I have an original MPC 70 Mustang (molded in yellow) and it is also small.

So I take it the Mach Won is of the correct scale...... Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks 

[Luc Janssens]

50 minutes ago, vamach1 said:

I draw the line on bringing back old kits if the Palmer one is in the mix. ?

Yeah, wouldn't want a new copy of that either, but the fun thing about this cloning is, that every part can be upgraded first, before scanning! Heck one can even take one of Juha Airio's creations and turn it into a model kit and yes I'm well aware that parts will have to be adapted for the injection-molding process.

Fun times to be on the receiving end, and I'm sure the KAT's at Round-2 are having a ball, just brainstorming possible future subject matter and reading our comments.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Luc Janssens

[mk11]

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Edited September 12, 2023 by mk11

[Can-Con]

1 hour ago, Sledsel said:

So I take it the Mach Won is of the correct scale...... Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks 

The AMT and MPC mustang kits ARE both 1/25 scale despite what everyone was lead to believe, it's just the MPC kit body seems to have been made a bit shorter to fit the older chassis. They are almost exactly the same width and height.

When I was building my blue '70 seen earlier in this thread I was seriously considering using the MPC bumpers if I couldn't find suitable originals or resin copies. They were the same width and would have fit with a bit of minor sanding. In fact, I did have the front bumper sanded and fit to the AMT body. 

[Can-Con]

Mike, I'll be checking the fit of an MPC interior and chassis plate to the AMT '69 I have a bit later and let everyone know how it goes as if they fit the '69, they'll fit the '70 body too.

Could be an easy way for a workable [all be it slightly "custom"] '70 Mach 1 in 1/25.

[vamach1]

I had no idea why I used the 351 hood decals on this build I did many years ago that has a 428 with a shaker hood.  Looking forward to at least the “stock” body that will be in the reissued MACH WON kit.

Looking back I guess Fred Cady did not make a 428 hood decal..  ?  Cleary the 1/24 Keith Marks 428 decals look to large for the 1/25 body and I assume are for the Revell kit.   I guess I will call this old 1/25 gluebomb build a Twister sleeper.  ?

Edited September 12, 2023 by vamach1

[mk11]

On another forum it is being claimed that the interiors are different between the amt '69 and '70. As the gent doesn't seem to be given to talking through his hat, I'll take his word for it until the kit comes out and we can check.

When I had both original '69 and '70 bodies side by side, they appeared to be identical but for outer body detail; why they would tool up a whole new interior is a good question.

'69 and '70 AMT bodies

Edited September 13, 2023 by mk11

[Can-Con]

2 hours ago, mk11 said:

On another forum it is being claimed that the interiors are different between the amt '69 and '70. As the gent doesn't seem to be given to talking through his hat, I'll take his word for it until the kit comes out and we can check.

When I had both original '69 and '70 bodies side by side, they appeared to be identical but for outer body detail; why they would tool up a whole new interior is a good question.

'69 and '70 AMT bodies

Well, I don't have the '70 interior right in front of me but I do have the pics I took when I built the car and the '69 interior right here.

Comparing them, the bucket itself is identical right down to the door engraving and the ash tray on the left side rear arm rest. The dash is identical right down to the mold lines on the side. There are a couple rather large locating posts molded to the very back of the tub that I don't think were on the '70 but aside from that, identical.

Maybe this person on the other forum you mention has the MPC/AMT kit and doesn't realize they're different kits?

I doubt you switched the '69 and '70 buckets before you sent it to me. ?

The '70 I have didn't have stock front seats when I got it so can't compare them. 

Now ,, I checked the MPC/AMT interior bucket in the AMT body I have. It's a hare narrower but nothing a couple strips of thin plastic on the outside of the window sills wouldn't take care of. Maybe bevel the front edge of the dash where it meets the windshield and it should go right in.

The MPC/AMT chassis plate fits like it was made for it,, I'd dare say it fits this body better then the one it came with.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Can-Con

[Can-Con]

2 hours ago, mk11 said:

On another forum it is being claimed that the interiors are different between the amt '69 and '70. As the gent doesn't seem to be given to talking through his hat, I'll take his word for it until the kit comes out and we can check.

When I had both original '69 and '70 bodies side by side, they appeared to be identical but for outer body detail; why they would tool up a whole new interior is a good question.

'69 and '70 AMT bodies

BTW, Mike, does your Mach Won kit have a tree with the stock '69 bumpers and grille on it? 

[Mark]

AMT '69 and '70 interior buckets are the same, detail-wise.  The mounting setup at the back was changed but the part from one will fit the other.  The '70 body was indeed updated from the AMT '69 annual, with the interior left alone except for the change in how it attaches to the body at the back.  I get to eat crow on this one...pass the ketchup.

So the '69 body and interior carried over to '70, body being updated of course.  That makes the (status unknown as of now) '69 longnose body unique tooling, but made to accept the AMT '69 exterior trim pieces.  '69 and '70 stock chassis are different, with the '70 piece carried over to '71-'73 with some alterations. Since the longnose and Mach Won used the same funny car chassis (with different length side pieces), both had the same plated trees for the most part.  Neither Mach Won kit that I have is mint in box, but it is likely that both could have had some '69 exterior trim items on a chrome tree.

Those wanting to convert the Mach Won body to '69 spec can probably get there by piecing in sections from the front and rear of the ex-MPC '69, so the grille and bumpers from it will fit.

[mk11]

On 9/12/2023 at 7:14 PM, Can-Con said:

BTW, Mike, does your Mach Won kit have a tree with the stock '69 bumpers and grille on it? 

This kit actually has 3 chrome trees but only one with the '69 trim and drag engine parts -shared with the longnose kit

The '69 amt grill here is actually better than the mpc one and will be a great start for a '69 conversion, as Mark alluded to.

As an aside, I tried the mpc '69 windshield for fit in the amt last night and with careful gluing, it could work. It's just a hair narrow, so a slight bit of shimming on each pillar could pull off the illusion.

aand, there's no need for any unpleasant culinary concoctions here. These kits had achieved an almost mythical status due to them being hard enough to get one at a time let alone both. Just pure luck they fell into my hands when I could take the time to scope them out. I'm not a patch on Mark's knowledge of this hobby but every three or four blue moons I can hopefully make something of a contribution.

Edited September 15, 2023 by mk11

[Mark]

I wonder if a '69 Cougar windshield might work.  I already need a windshield for a Mach Won body that I want to use for a pro stock conversion, but hadn't thought about the Cougar until now.

[Can-Con]

3 hours ago, Mark said:

I wonder if a '69 Cougar windshield might work.  I already need a windshield for a Mach Won body that I want to use for a pro stock conversion, but hadn't thought about the Cougar until now.

Wish I had thought of that when I built mine.

I cut down the windshield from the Monogram 1/24 kit for mine.

[afx]

AMT's long nose Mustang F/C for reference.

 

[mk11]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:39 AM, Mark said:

I wonder if a '69 Cougar windshield might work.  I already need a windshield for a Mach Won body that I want to use for a pro stock conversion, but hadn't thought about the Cougar until now.

Aside from being a hair narrow at the top, looks like it will fit just fine with careful gluing...

 

18 hours ago, afx said:

AMT's long nose Mustang F/C for reference.

 

Thanks for posting that, JC. Pretty cool but I don't have the slightest desire to own one

Edited September 14, 2023 by mk11

[Mercuryman54]

Here’s an original Mach Won that I combined with the Revell 69 Super Cobra Jet Mustang. Body and trim from the Mach Won, pretty much everything else from the Revell kit. 

[Mercuryman54]

Here is the difference between the AMT and MPC 69 Mustang grilles in the MPC Mustang. 

[Dave Darby]

7 minutes ago, Mercuryman54 said:

Here is the difference between the AMT and MPC 69 Mustang grilles in the MPC Mustang. 

The AMT grille is so much nicer than the MPC piece!

[tim boyd]

OK guys, but what about the original Revell 1969 Mustang/1970 Mustang Grande "annual" kits? 

Personally, I'm not a fan of either of these in terms of being good kits overall, nor their scale authenticity, but they do replicate body styles not seen in the AMT/MPC/modern da Revell kits....TB 

[mk11]

Well.....

pics freshly scooped from big auction site

Edited September 16, 2023 by mk11

[vamach1]

I’d buy some knowing I would not be ruining a vintage kit and I experiment use an engine and chassis from another kit.

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by vamach1

[mikos]

On 9/13/2023 at 7:49 PM, mk11 said:

Aside from being a hair narrow at the top, looks like it will fit just fine with careful gluing...

 

Thanks for posting that, JC. Pretty cool but I don't have the slightest desire to own one

 

On 9/13/2023 at 7:49 PM, mk11 said:

Aside from being a hair narrow at the top, looks like it will fit just fine with careful gluing...

 

Thanks for posting that, JC. Pretty cool but I don't have the slightest desire to own one

I wonder if the glass from the Revell version would work better?  If anything, you would probably have to file it down instead of having gaps you have to build up with plastic strips on the A-pillars if you used the MPC glass.

This could possibly take up to three kits to pull this off.  The upcoming AMT “Mach Won” kit for the better rendered ‘70 body, the old MPC ‘69 kit for the front clip, side scoop, chassis, interior bucket, other parts, and the Revell ‘69-‘70 Mustang kit or the AMT ‘70 Cougar kit for the front windshield.  

I don’t know, but this is starting to get a little expensive.

I know it would be way too much to ask for at this time, but I wish Round2 could clone the parts necessary to make a stock ‘70 Mustang out of the old “Mach One” kit.  I know many would argue that the “Mach One” as is would be better to test the market, but having a stock version that you build out of it, or possibly a future release with the added parts included to make a stock version, would sell very good too.  

Then, if they reissued the old MPC version again, they can have two model years, the ‘69 and ‘70 Mustang, represented in scale in their current catalog.

I think the last time the AMT (MPC version) ‘69 Mustang was reissued was back in ‘96 so finding one to do the mods necessary on the “Mach One” to make a stock ‘69 may prove to be a challenge.  The MPC ‘69 Mustangs are not exactly a dime a dozen and prices are getting up there.

Just my $.03.

Edited September 16, 2023 by mikos