De-laminating windshield ideas needed

[johnyrotten]

Looking to try and mimic a de-laminating windshield. I've found ideas for everything else "glass" related, nothing on this. I'm thinking careful masking, and a bit of light airbrush work to make it "fade". Maybe. I've got no clue what paints/tints would be best(probably tamiya), or if this is feasible. This is what I'm looking to do. It's all flat glass so replacement is simple, not afraid of mistakes here.Thanks in advance. 

[NOBLNG]

What if you sprayed it with a bit of Tamiya thin cement or MEK to fog it? Do what you normally try to avoid doing?

Edited February 3 by NOBLNG

[Leica007]

Just a thought, what about testor dulcote.

[gman]

You could mask off the areas to show the delamination, then shoot some flat clear lacquer with a little white lacquer mixed in.

[Fat Brian]

I think sometimes flat clear on the inside of the windshield could do he job, especially if you can airbrush it. I would put it on the inside since when that happens on a real car the glass is still shiny because the cloudiness is between the layers, not on the surface. 

[johnyrotten]

6 hours ago, NOBLNG said:

What if you sprayed it with a bit of Tamiya thin cement or MEK to fog it? Do what you normally try to avoid doing?

 

4 hours ago, Leica007 said:

Just a thought, what about testor dulcote.

 

4 hours ago, gman said:

You could mask off the areas to show the delamination, then shoot some flat clear lacquer with a little white lacquer mixed in.

 

3 hours ago, Fat Brian said:

I think sometimes flat clear on the inside of the windshield could do he job, especially if you can airbrush it. I would put it on the inside since when that happens on a real car the glass is still shiny because the cloudiness is between the layers, not on the surface. 

Thanks everyone for the excellent excellent ideas. "Fogging" it with c.a. glue did cross my mind, liquid solvent is even better. I have a cheap airbrush I could sacrifice if cleaning it becomes impossible. Do you think the o-rings in the hold up to the solvent, M.E.K. is pretty nasty stuff as i understand it. Thedullcoat and flat clear ideas, no chance of ruining an airbrush, that's a plus. It looks as if I'm going to pick up some clear acetate for some experiments. Thanks again, everyone, for the suggestions and getting my brain rolling on this. Much appreciated. 

[Mike C]

Since that's just flat clear plastic, maybe you can cut your own pieces and make your own laminate, only mask off the ends when gluing together and actually making delaminated "glass". It's just an idea, I've never done it myself and don't know how feasible it might be.

[johnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Mike C said:

Since that's just flat clear plastic, maybe you can cut your own pieces and make your own laminate, only mask off the ends when gluing together and actually making delaminated "glass". It's just an idea, I've never done it myself and don't know how feasible it might be.

Good thinking, nothing more realistic than the actual thing. I've got some ideas to try out now. Thanks 

[LennyB]

I was just messing around with a scrap piece. Brushed it with liquid cement on the inside and then dabbed it with a cotton ball.

[peteski]

5 hours ago, Mike C said:

Since that's just flat clear plastic, maybe you can cut your own pieces and make your own laminate, only mask off the ends when gluing together and actually making delaminated "glass". It's just an idea, I've never done it myself and don't know how feasible it might be.

That's a good idea but delaminated windshield is more than just 2 layers. There is a layer of plastic film and adhesive between the glass layers. In my experience the delaminated areas usually have a foggy or milky appearance.

[johnyrotten]

11 hours ago, peteski said:

That's a good idea but delaminated windshield is more than just 2 layers. There is a layer of plastic film and adhesive between the glass layers. In my experience the delaminated areas usually have a foggy or milky appearance.

When I first got this idea, I looked into if those years even had safety glass, from what I found on H.A.M.B.  henry ford was one of the first to use it. Anyway, the safety glass he used as I understand it, was 3 layers. Thickness is something I would have to deal with, getting that foogy look around the edges is all I'm trying to do. I think that may be the most difficult thing to do. Thanks 

[Bill Eh?]

Tamiya has Flat Base, X-21. It is an additive to make gloss paints flat. What if you added some Flat Base to some Tamiya Clear, X-22, and then tried fogging the edges with that. You only need a drop or so of X-21 added to the Clear. By varying the amount added, you could experiment to find the level of haziness that you are trying to achieve.

[rattle can man]

I think flat, clear paint is the best option. You could try laminating two layers and tinting the glue along the edges with some white paint or flat clear.  

[89AKurt]

I accidentally created that look, but it's probably lame idea for this application.  I tried window tint film on the back window of my '69 Chevy C-10, had some bubbling which annoyed me.

[johnyrotten]

8 hours ago, 89AKurt said:

I accidentally created that look, but it's probably lame idea for this application.  I tried window tint film on the back window of my '69 Chevy C-10, had some bubbling which annoyed me.

Interesting, I've been paying attention to everyone's suggestions, I plan on trying some"experiments" this weekend.  I'll try variation of this.

[johnyrotten]

I found an iridescent pearl at Michael's on clearance, golden acrylics. I've been playing around with it, and some matte white washes. Looks promising. Solvent glue does as well, the "hotter" stuff I have needs some coaxing, takes a few coats get it working. Any comments/suggestions appreciated 

[gman]

I tried two different browsers, photos not showing for me.

[johnyrotten]

Pictures on the way, sorry.

Edited February 24 by johnyrotten
Technical difficulties

[johnyrotten]

11 minutes ago, gman said:

I tried two different browsers, photos not showing for me.

Thanks for the heads up

[johnyrotten]

New pictures.  Hopefully they work this time. 

[NOBLNG]

I think the Craft smart is a little too opaque. Either of the other two look pretty good.

[johnyrotten]

32 minutes ago, NOBLNG said:

I think the Craft smart is a little too opaque. Either of the other two look pretty good.

That was my thought. The solvent works, my particular glue flashes off almost before it fogs the acetate. But at this scale, how opaque does it need to be. Now to make it look "natural" and not a sloppy assembly. Thanks 

[johnyrotten]

Laminating two pieces and a quick swipe of solvent seems to give great results, very random and natural looking. And not overly clouded. Might be on to something.

[gman]

8 hours ago, NOBLNG said:

I think the Craft smart is a little too opaque. Either of the other two look pretty good.

Agreed. I had the dreaded delaminating layers on a 1:1 windshield in my '76 Mini, and the first two capture that look better than the third. Mine started in the corners and crept in a radius from there.