The new Charger

[peteski]

8 minutes ago, sfhess said:

It might have something to do with the fact that the same person designed the DeLorean and the 1974 concept car that inspired that Hyundai - Giorgetto Giugiaro.

I guess my eyes and brain picked up the similarity.  Thanks!

[Beans]

It looks better than the last iteration of charger.  I just can't stand that front hood dip into the weird front spoiler thing, that I can only guess, is there to make it look less like an ultima or accord.

[Jon Haigwood]

On 11/4/2025 at 6:57 AM, stitchdup said:

hyundai would like a word

Looks like something in a video game

[Jon Haigwood]

20 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

One correction...there will be no Challenger. 

It's all Charger, either 2 door or 4 door.

 

People can say what they want about the engines, but you have to admit this a bad ass looking sedan.

I misspelled Charger OOPS

[TarheelRick]

On 11/3/2025 at 7:08 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

why do you need 500 or 600 or more horsepower?

So they can keep the insurance companies, body shops, junkyards, and tow companies in business.

[deuces wild]

On 11/3/2025 at 8:17 PM, 1972coronet said:

Inline six = good (better than a V6).

Turbo / turbos = avoid ! Especially with a daily driver ! 

( .C.A.F.E. standards need to get seriously revamped... if not entirely eliminated... at least when it comes to trucks/ vans / commercial vehicles ) 

Sorry but I'm not into Revlon 1800 watt hair dryers.....🥱🫢🫣

[Radretireddad]

On 11/4/2025 at 8:30 AM, Ace-Garageguy said:

And even though I've been a high-performance hard-core car guy all my life, I STILL don't understand why any production street ride needs 500+ horsepower, especially in an age where we are constantly subjected to hand-wringing, pearl-clutching, and wailing about the "existential threat to humankind from carbon emissions".

'Splain it to me, Lucy.

I believe it can all be summed up in one word Bill. Ego. I always have a great time interacting with the many other more appreciative owners and admirers that gravitate towards the variety of other very cool cars that my Jag is a part of at our local shows but our collective reaction is almost universal when some twenty something rolls by in a late model whatever with the loudest exhaust he could afford to have someone bolt on it.🥱🙄😒

[Radretireddad]

On 11/4/2025 at 8:57 AM, stitchdup said:

hyundai would like a word

Good intentions, poor execution.

[Radretireddad]

On 11/3/2025 at 6:08 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

Only stuff like this I see being driven around here are the dinkytwinks with semi-open exhausts and automatics making as much noise as they possibly can when the light turns green, and then backing off the throttle when they reach the speed limit.

Whenever my sons and I saw this I explained it to them by stating his noise to forward motion ratio is unacceptably out of proportion.

[Radretireddad]

On 11/4/2025 at 9:19 AM, iamsuperdan said:

As a massive lifelong Porsche nerd, I question why the GT3RS exists when the standard GT3 equals it in almost every way for $40-50k less. And to go a step further, for the majority of Porsche 911 buyers, why does the GT3 exist when the standard Carrera is already more car than they will ever use? And to go even further, why does the Carrera exist when the Boxster will be more car than most Porsche buyers will ever use?

Because maybe Porsche’s leadership feels the need to atone for the sins of all the distinctly non Porsche sedans and SUV’s they’ve disgraced such a hallowed name with? To me the GT3RS is blessed assurance that the ones running the marque haven’t completely betrayed it. Yet.

If I were well healed, I’d own one of each of what you mentioned simply because I’d want to gain the ability to fully experience driving them all at the limit.

Edited Tuesday at 11:42 PM by Radretireddad

[iamsuperdan]

1 hour ago, Radretireddad said:

Because maybe Porsche’s leadership feels the need to atone for the sins of all the distinctly non Porsche sedans and SUV’s they’ve disgraced such a hallowed name with? To me the GT3RS is blessed assurance that the ones running the marque haven’t completely betrayed it. Yet.

If I were well healed, I’d own one of each of what you mentioned simply because I’d want to gain the ability to fully experience driving them all at the limit.

The Cayenne is the only reason Porsche still exists today. No SUVs or sedans means no 911, no Boxster, no 918, and no further development of sports cars.

And I'm the same as you. Even though none of it makes much sense, I want a GT3 and a couple of GT3 RS. One with the Manthey Racing package.

[Rodent]

2 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

The Cayenne is the only reason Porsche still exists today.

I don't hate the Cayenne and Macan, and I don't think it dilutes the Porsche DNA. I look them as vehicles for someone who wants a relatively (or extremely) fast, good handling vehicle but has need for an SUV. Kind of like the Porsche DNA got transferred to another mother.....  LOL.

What I do dislike is the "coupe" versions of BMW, MBz, Audi, and Porsche SUVs. Kind of takes away much of the SUV-ness.

[Radretireddad]

2 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

The Cayenne is the only reason Porsche still exists today. No SUVs or sedans means no 911, no Boxster, no 918, and no further development of sports cars.

 

Yep! Unfortunately they’re needed to keep the lights on. I just wish they branded them differently.

 

2 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

And I'm the same as you. Even though none of it makes much sense, I want a GT3 and a couple of GT3 RS. One with the Manthey Racing package.

Yes, yes, yes!!!

[Ace-Garageguy]

10 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

The Cayenne is the only reason Porsche still exists today. No SUVs or sedans means no 911, no Boxster, no 918, and no further development of sports cars.

When your corporate philosophy favors growth rather than staying as a niche builder of great sports cars, that's what you get.

As a Porsche owner/enthusiast for many decades, I thought it was funny the other day when one of the guys I work with mentioned the Porsche in the shop that I hadn't noticed was there.

"How can this be?" says I to myself.

So I go in search of it and low and behold, a newish Cayenne with deer remnants stuck in its teeth.

Meh. Porsche? Looks like just another bloated hippo-inspired mommy-wagon to me.

EDIT: With $8000 headlights...each!

Yeah, I'm sure it'll blow the doors off my old 911 in a straight line.

And you can have it.

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:27 PM by Ace-Garageguy
punctiliousness

[Bainford]

5 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

 

Meh. Porsche? Looks like just another bloated hippo-inspired mommy-wagon to me.

 

Mmmm... nice. Smooth lines. Is this available with a manual?

Edited Wednesday at 05:52 PM by Bainford
punctisillyness

[Rodent]

5 hours ago, Bainford said:

Mmmm... nice. Smooth lines. Is this available with a manual?

I don't know, but from what I have seen online, the exhaust diffuser isn't anything you want to be anywhere near.

[Radretireddad]

I can’t fully fault car manufacturers for their current offerings. Since they no doubt spend millions of dollars gathering focus group generated marketing research data before any new model or even feature debuts, the products they offer are intentionally engineered, styled, and packaged to have the broadest possible appeal which means sales success depends on pulling off pleasing everyone and offending no one.

Their offerings are the results of what they’ve predetermined the majority of the car buying public is willing to shell out tens of thousands of dollars for rather than what a more purist minority like us thinks is more desirable. It’s the general public majority that have been dulled into viewing cars as just another expensive appliance and the manufacturers clearly understand they must accommodate them if they wish to remain in business.

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, Radretireddad said:

I can’t fully fault car manufacturers for their current offerings. Since they no doubt spend millions of dollars gathering focus group generated marketing research data before any new model or even feature debuts, the products they offer are intentionally engineered, styled, and packaged to have the broadest possible appeal which means sales success depends on pulling off pleasing everyone and offending no one.

Their offerings are the results of what they’ve predetermined the majority of the car buying public is willing to shell out tens of thousands of dollars for rather than what a more purist minority like us thinks is more desirable. It’s the general public majority that have been dulled into viewing cars as just another expensive appliance and the manufacturers clearly understand they must accommodate them if they wish to remain in business.

 

I disagree.

Car marketing has convinced the buying public that they need every imaginable gadget and comfort and "safety" enhancement, gigantic pickups that never get used to haul anything, and that you should only buy black, white, and silver because nothing else has any resale value.

A lot of the money is in options, and the stuff manufacturers want to sell are the vehicles they make the most profit on. Period. They don't care what the "public" wants, and they've done their dambdest to brainwash consumers to want what the manufacturers want them to want.

Marketing works, and the widely touted "focus groups" only give us stuff like the Edsel...because consumers in general have no clue.