'53 Hudson Hornet is coming....

[jbwelda]

Chuck, thanks so much for that writeup/summary. this is exactly the sort of thing that is very useful to other modelers. i am not going to build this kit anytime soon (but the race car remains a possibility) but i am going to print out your writeup and put it in the box with the kit for when the time comes to build it. its great to know beforehand the pitfalls and problems (even better with proven solutions!) and your writeup is perfect for that. thanks again for taking the time to write it up like that.

[charlie8575]

Any thought as to when the corrected skirts will be made/next run?

Chuck- GREAT reviews. Thanks.

Charlie Larkin

[Chuck Most]

Any thought as to when the corrected skirts will be made/next run?

Chuck- GREAT reviews. Thanks.

Charlie Larkin

All I know is that it will be fixed on future reissues of the Club Coupes and NASCAR kits- you'd probably be better off asking Dave when those will be out. At the risk of being overly redundant, I'll mention again that they have been corrected on the '52 droptop kit.

[Tony T]

Thanks for this Chuck!

[Chuck Most]

Just an update- the most recent '53 Club Coupe I purchased (two weeks ago) has the fender skirt cut lines relocated. So it would appear any Hudson variants Moebius brings out from here on out will have the fender skirts properly centered over the rear wheels.

[Colonel32]

Could someone explain what "bad flash" means? Never heard that term before.

[charlie8575]

Could someone explain what "bad flash" means? Never heard that term before.

The early production run had kits with copious quantities of "flash," or excess plastic, and very heavy mold lines.

The coupe I have, which is pretty early-production, has a body with such heavy mold-lines that it's almost un-buildable without excessive sanding. That will be receiving a Motor City sedan conversion.

The rest of the kit, though, is very nice. And with the quality control corrected, I say it's a good kit.

Charlie Larkin

[Colonel32]

Thanks, in that case my one must be from some mid-production era, because I compared it to my convertible body and the mold lines look exactly the same, but the fender skirt is still shifted. Is there a way how to identify the correct fender version just by information on the box?

[Casey]

MOE-1200

1/25 1953 Hudson Hornet Car (Re-Issue) (2nd Qtr)

[espo]

2 hours ago, Casey said:

MOE-1200

1/25 1953 Hudson Hornet Car (Re-Issue) (2nd Qtr)

Any additions or changes to the kit ? 

[Dave Van]

WOW....that's odd........5 minutes ago I was going through some files on my PC and the box art 'test shots' for this kit came up. I looked through them and remembered how exciting it was to get these kits and get to work on them. 

Still great kits.....but doubt any changes.....none were mentioned  last time I talked to the Moebius guys. 

[Luc Janssens]

6 hours ago, Dave Van said:

WOW....that's odd........5 minutes ago I was going through some files on my PC and the box art 'test shots' for this kit came up. I looked through them and remembered how exciting it was to get these kits and get to work on them. 

Still great kits.....but doubt any changes.....none were mentioned  last time I talked to the Moebius guys. 

Before releasing it to the public I do hope they pick a production kit  to check if the right parts are clipped off.

[Dave Van]

4 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

Before releasing it to the public I do hope they pick a production kit  to check if the right parts are clipped off.

I know the fender cut out issue.....I do not recall wrong parts......which issue???

[Mark]

I don't understand the logic behind cutting parts (even unneeded ones) out of individual kits during production.  Spend more (on hand labor) to give less.

[Luc Janssens]

4 hours ago, Mark said:

I don't understand the logic behind cutting parts (even unneeded ones) out of individual kits during production.  Spend more (on hand labor) to give less.

I agree.

 

4 hours ago, Dave Van said:

I know the fender cut out issue.....I do not recall wrong parts......which issue???

until now no mistakes, just a caution from a guy who's former job was streamlining production and making it error proof.

[Dave Van]

33 minutes ago, Luc Janssens said:

I agree.

 

until now no mistakes, just a caution from a guy who's former job was streamlining production and making it error proof.

OK......pretty sure the kit will run in stock configuration and run with whatever parts are open. Blocking off gates in tooling or manually cutting off parts is costly...more than the cost of a tenth ounce plastic. I'll see if I can confirm. 

[Luc Janssens]

1 minute ago, Dave Van said:

OK......pretty sure the kit will run in stock configuration and run with whatever parts are open. Blocking off gates in tooling or manually cutting off parts is costly...more than the cost of a tenth ounce plastic. I'll see if I can confirm. 

That's just the "problem" there is no logic in the tool parts layout, therefore they clip off the not needed parts in the packaging process, now anyone who's a bit familiar with a production process know that's the weak link. 

When designing a tool, one has to group parts to specific release together, so they can be isolated or run depending on what version you're producing, now I'm not saying Moebius can't pull it off,  it's just a word of caution, and if you have an open line with those in charge please message them, making sure the kit is according to specifications, before it hits the market.

[Dave Van]

7 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

That's just the "problem" there is no logic in the tool parts layout, therefore they clip off the not needed parts in the packaging process, now anyone who's a bit familiar with a production process know that's the weak link. 

When designing a tool, one has to group parts to specific release together, so they can be isolated or run depending on what version you're producing, now I'm not saying Moebius can't pull it off,  it's just a word of caution, and if you have an open line with those in charge please message them, making sure the kit is according to specifications, before it hits the market.

Not how China works........As a customer you can insist on a layout of the trees....but it will cost more. If you look at a lot of modern Chinese tooling you see grouping of small trees combined to make a kit. Unlike older US tooling or even the way Tamiya does theirs.  Yo send CAD drawings of parts to China and tests shots are shipped to you.  Never in working with these new tools have I ever heard discussion on parts tree layout.....only the parts themselves.  just my experience and maybe not the best way either!  

[niteowl7710]

Geez guys, calm down, it's just a straight reissue of the original '53 Hudson kit that was their first 1/25 car release.  All of the subsequent variants (NASCAR, Convertible, '52) have ALWAYS been part of the tooling from the time it was designed.  They managed to release it correctly the first time, why 9 years later would they be rendered incapable of pouring plastic through a mold?

[Luc Janssens]

28 minutes ago, niteowl7710 said:

Geez guys, calm down, it's just a straight reissue of the original '53 Hudson kit that was their first 1/25 car release.  All of the subsequent variants (NASCAR, Convertible, '52) have ALWAYS been part of the tooling from the time it was designed.  They managed to release it correctly the first time, why 9 years later would they be rendered incapable of pouring plastic through a mold?

Just voicing a point of concern, which indeed may not be a problem and the buyer might even end up with a bunch of extra spare parts.

[niteowl7710]

2 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

Just voicing a point of concern, which indeed may not be a problem and the buyer might even end up with a bunch of extra spare parts.

The '52 Convertible & '53 Hornet's chrome trees only differ in the front grille, extra set of wheels - and the deletion of the '53's hood spear.  If someone actually bought the Mel's Drive-In '52 they might be in possession of whether or not Moebius had that chrome clipped still or included both grilles.  The whole point of the '52 MDI kit was the fact that the '52 grille is different and wasn't in the original Hornet.  Which begs the question why there hasn't been a '53 Convertible kit yet...

[Dave Van]

5 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

Just voicing a point of concern, which indeed may not be a problem and the buyer might even end up with a bunch of extra spare parts.

Yes....we're fine....just discussing kits...

[Luc Janssens]

9 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

The '52 Convertible & '53 Hornet's chrome trees only differ in the front grille, extra set of wheels - and the deletion of the '53's hood spear.  If someone actually bought the Mel's Drive-In '52 they might be in possession of whether or not Moebius had that chrome clipped still or included both grilles.  The whole point of the '52 MDI kit was the fact that the '52 grille is different and wasn't in the original Hornet.  Which begs the question why there hasn't been a '53 Convertible kit yet...

Maybe it's because the '52 ragtop wasn't breaking any sales records.....

[Luc Janssens]

5 hours ago, Dave Van said:

Yes....we're fine....just discussing kits...

and that's the way it should be no matter what the subject, people talking sharing views, to learn

[ChrisBcritter]

I'm sure Moebius is thoroughly done with creating variations on this kit - I just wish they'd done a '48-'49 version (much lighter, cleaner look IMHO).

I remember some resin outfit did a '54 hardtop - has anyone here built one, and if so how did the fit work out?