Craig Irwin Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Of the old promos the 57 Olds hasn't been seen in a long time.
Edsel-Dan Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 FYI, the 61/2 Buick Special wagon was AMT not Jo-HAn. I have too many of them to miss the AMT on the box!! I would love ANY of them The Ambulance/Hearse, 68 Fury Police, 57/8 Olds, 58/9 Caddy, 79 DeVille. Did Jo-Han invent the multi-insert tooling?? The Ambulance/Hearse did have 4 versions including the twin engine dragsters. I see the flashed over holes for the corner lights of the Ambulance inside the Hearse roof
John Goschke Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 The technology is out there to reverse engineer practically any Johan kit ever made so it really doesn't matter if the tooling exist or not. It all comes down to the numbers. What will it cost and how many can you sell? I honestly think the numbers are at least close to do-able although probably in the same range as all new tooling. So which would you rather have? An exact copy of the original Johan 63 Dodge Polara kit or all new tooling of a 65 Plymouth Belvedere ??? (just some random picks ..... I admit I do happen to like B-body Mopars) I bet I got you guys thinking now don't I .......? Steve, either of those B-body Mopars would be a great choice. One of the virtues of the Johan Mopar kits I'd like to see preserved in any new or re-engineered release was the high degree of interchangeability between the makes, models and years (much like the real cars.) Heck, the '60 Dodge I built has a '61 Plymouth chassis, '62 Chrysler firewall, and engine from a '63 Chrysler 300, all of which fit without modification. While the chassis and interiors might leave something to be desired for today's builder, in large measure it's hard to fault the accuracy of Johan's bodies for those cars and there's no reason IMC couldn't base a new tool for the '65 Belvedere hardtop on the original Johan body for the '64 Fury or Dodge Polara. Ideally an improved chassis, interior, and basic engine tool for the new kit could be slightly modified for subsequent reissue of the '62 and '63 Dodge and Plymouth and possibly for the '60 and '61s, and might serve as the basis for similarly improved and re-engineered '62-'64 Chryslers and '60 Desoto. The '60 - '61 Chrysler bodies are a tougher case given that they're on the Desoto wheelbase, which is incorrect for the New Yorker (perhaps these bodies could be modified to '60 Windsor and '61 Newport hardtops.) Although the old kits do not have the detail of today's kits, there's a lot to said for their simplicity, and I have to wonder if there would be less tooling and production cost if any potential new kit were developed with an emphasis on simply creating an accurate body, with a nicely detailed interior, engine and chassis that would have a lower parts count than the typical new full-detail kit from Revell or Moebius. I'm thinking of something along the lines of Revell's excellent snap-kit '63 Vettes, '57 Chevy, or '75(?) Monte Carlo, but with an engine and a somewhat more detailed chassis. Done properly these kind of kits also could have fewer fit problems and could perhaps be offered at a lower price to the consumer.
Merkur XR4Ti Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 Any AMC Ambassador that JoHan did would be great with me.
2000-cvpi Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 I would buy any reissue of a Johan kit, it would not matter the subject. I would even like the Comet, Maverick or Plymouth police car.
demoinc392 Posted October 20, 2011 Posted October 20, 2011 What about the hearse and ambulance also the fury cop car and the 300s or any station wagon
Hypermung Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 As an avid fin fan, I can add my vote to re-issue the 1959 Dodge CRL with the interior. I have a tendancy to bid on ANY unbuilt 59 Dodge on evilpay, & I can tell you they aren't cheap these days. I've just picked up another unbuilt re-issue, & an unbuilt original annual kit with the interior (with crazed glass & gray chrome) for 'only' $76 each + postage, which will make them close to US$100 each by the time they get here. You may call me crazy, but I seriously can't help myself when it comes to these kits. I just today missed an original Annual customiser kit in a nice box. Not that I missed it, I DIDN'T BID HIGH ENOUGH!!! This went for a staggering $141.99.....(+ postage).http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/170713057839?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 I now have 5 X-el re-issues & the dodgy Jo-han annual, & I'm not trying to corner the market for 59 Dodge re-issues as I will build all of these one day. I realize that if the 59 is re-releasedI will have lost a large sum of money (probably), but if there's only one kit that will pull some serious numbers in the sales department, the 59 Dodge would have to be it HANDS DOWN.... (My 2 bobs worth)
2000-cvpi Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 I lusted after that 59 Dodge, I just couldn't justify the price.
Hypermung Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 I lusted after that 59 Dodge, I just couldn't justify the price. I know what you mean... I was interested in the box itself (as well as the contents). If I won this, it probably would be the one I would have never assembled. $141.99 (+ postage) to leave it sitting on the shelf? I'm probably better off not having won, I suppose.. Re-issue ANY of the forward look Mopars ... They'd ALL be winners IMO.
thatz4u Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Comet & Maverick kits, I need a few more.....LOL
spkgibson Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 From Deans? I got my sealed '72 Olds kit for $35 from him as well. Mine was the USA Oldies issue- on one of the side panels, the rear illustration shows what looks more like a '69 rear bumper/taillamp setup. How did you guess, It's a 70 though. Mines molded in that blue-green color, with the barcode, So mines from the 80's the 70's didn't have the barcodes on them.
Chuck Most Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 I goofed on the year- mine's a '70 as well. Must have been thinking of the Revell kit. Mine's molded in white, but has the barcode. I think that came in the late '80's, a few years before Seville took over.
Danno Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Wow ...wouldn't that be something If I could help pull that off !!!! OK so counting Harry, (you're in for one of each right) all I need is another 4,999 or so die-hard and dedicated Johan fans, assuming I got that in the bag and I brought back 6 kits a year, I wonder how long it would take to re-run the whole Jo-han line ??? Do I start with your favorites or from the beginning ? And I thought this job was going to be easy ...... what was I thinking ...... ? Steve Ehhhh ... probably would have been easier to ask what kits NO ONE wants reissued. Just sayin' ...
Chuck Most Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Ehhhh ... probably would have been easier to ask what kits NO ONE wants reissued. Just sayin' ... SC Rambler, if the tooling is as bad as last go round. That's about it for me.
charlie8575 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Steve, this is a bit of a long-shot, but I'm going to throw this out. Someone may have addressed this at least in passing before, but I'd like to in a little more detail. Jo-Han, without question had some great subject matter that really deserves to get back out there, and I think it would be great to see a lot of it re-issued. One thing that a lot of people find distressing though, and I tend towards this school of thought, was the scaling of some cars, especially the Cadillacs. I like the simplicity of the Jo-Han assembly- I love the detail of many newer models, but sometimes I don't feel like dealing with all the fussy-fiddle of all the separately molded items, and I think what might be nice, especially if the existing tooling can't be made to work easily would be to do the following: 1. Re-create the molds using the existing kits as guides. Once that's done, re-scale the computer drawing to exact 1/25 scale models. Other corrections, such as a deeper interior tub, revising interior assembly (for example, molding the seat separately,) can also be done electronically, before sending the drawing to the machine shop. 2. This would also be a great time to fix some of the errors seen in the kits- for example, tooling up a second-generation AMC V8 or switching over to the open drive on post-1966 AMC cars. Similar corrections could also be made. This can be done, and with modern mold engineering, at reasonable cost (especially considering you're all but starting with a clean-sheet anyway,) and produce highly detailed bodies, interiors and engines, as well as chassis-plates. Yes, chassis plates. I think the simplicity of the original kits should be left intact or pretty-much intact. Perhaps using metal pins instead of a straight wire for the axle so we don't have to fill in holes in the engine blocks if we want to re-use them for something else, but I think the idea of a moderately simple, well-engineered glue kit will have a lot of appeal. A lot of people decry the molded-in everything. I'm not crazy about it, but I don't let it bother me. I use a little extra care and time to detail-paint the chassis and get a nice-looking unit out of it. Whatever the decision, I look forward to seeing what you do and you can count on my financial support (i.e., purchases.) Charlie Larkin
Chuck Most Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Many good points Charlie. I'd love to see them at least provide some deeper interior tubs, when and if at all possible. I'd also be all for seeing a decent rendition of a second-gen AMC V8, and please, get rid of that 22 caliber bullet hole in the block for clearing the monster axle! If it's possible to use thinner, preferably metal, axles, or some kind of 'plug' that fits into the chassis and still has a mounting pin for the wheel/tire assembly, I'd love to see that. Oh- and if the '60 Plymouth wagon kit ever comes back.... inner front fenders, PLEASE! Edited October 24, 2011 by Chuck Most
Deathgoblin Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Hey, is there an email address or website for IMC?
High octane Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I say bring back everything Johan ever did! That's NEVER going to happen Harry as the market just isn't there anymore.
Crazy Ed Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 How about the 70 + 71 Javelins? And as long as we're day dreaming make them 3 in 1's. Stock, Drag and TransAm! Make the interior tub with a separate rear seat so there's less hacking needed to make the race versions.
Harry P. Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 That's NEVER going to happen Harry as the market just isn't there anymore. I know it'll never happen. I was just saying...
Joe Handley Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 How about the 70 + 71 Javelins? And as long as we're day dreaming make them 3 in 1's. Stock, Drag and TransAm! Make the interior tub with a separate rear seat so there's less hacking needed to make the race versions. Don't see why not, Proline Racing just recently brought out a '71 Javelin "like" body for 1/10 scale r/c Touring Cars that are raced in thr "Vintage Trans Am" or "VTA" classes.
Harry P. Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 If ever there was a guy who should bring back the old JoHan kits, it's you. I mean, you even have the name for it!
SteveG Posted October 26, 2011 Author Posted October 26, 2011 Hey, is there an email address or website for IMC? A website is coming soon. In the mean time I'm using my Fotki Album to host some IMC pictures. You can always send an email to me at sg-imc@hotmail.com if you have comments or questions. Here's a link to my IMC album. http://public.fotki....llinois-model-/ There's always snail-mail too.... Illinois Model Company 409 S Second St. Rockford, IL 61104
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