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The Charger 4-dr should have just been 'Magnum', including the wagon. Use the same front end on both. All of the front ends for Charger, Magnum and 300 interchange. I might be wrong, but I think 300 'estates' are still being sold in europe.

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The Charger 4-dr should have just been 'Magnum', including the wagon. Use the same front end on both. All of the front ends for Charger, Magnum and 300 interchange. I might be wrong, but I think 300 'estates' are still being sold in europe.

The 300 Tourings (wagons) were sold up through '10. There isn't a wagon yet in the 2nd gen LXes. If the 4dr had been called Magnum, I bet it wouldn't have done nearly as well as it has done as a Charger.

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The 300 Tourings (wagons) were sold up through '10. There isn't a wagon yet in the 2nd gen LXes. If the 4dr had been called Magnum, I bet it wouldn't have done nearly as well as it has done as a Charger.

Agreed...the '78-9 Magnums weren't the pinnacle of Chrysler's late '70s fleet either, though they had some nice features...'cept that Cord-like grille.

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They could have still called it a Charger, but used the Magnum's front end on it.

Another thought- All this name-shuffling has me wondering if the Charger's replacement will be called Charger.

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IIRC Tom, the Magnum didn't really exist in Europe and The 300 Estate never existed here. I think the Magnum might have been an experiment to see if wagons would sell here without harming the 300's name. I'm not surprised that the Charger parts would fit (wouldn't be surprised if the Challenger would too.)

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They could have still called it a Charger, but used the Magnum's front end on it.

Another thought- All this name-shuffling has me wondering if the Charger's replacement will be called Charger.

The Magnum would have looked good with the Charger nose, never cared for how the headlights wrapped over the top on the Magnum.

The Charger is in it's second LX generation now, so I would assume it will still be the Charger in 5 years or so. The compact is getting a new name because the Caliber was considered a dud.

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And the Dodge Journey is being sold in Europe. Sort of...

Funny thing is IIRC it was sold in Europe briefly a couple years ago as a Dodge when they tried marketing Dodges in a few European countries...

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IIRC Tom, the Magnum didn't really exist in Europe and The 300 Estate never existed here. I think the Magnum might have been an experiment to see if wagons would sell here without harming the 300's name. I'm not surprised that the Charger parts would fit (wouldn't be surprised if the Challenger would too.)

Have you seen any of the artist renderings of what might be the new magnum overseas...pretty sharp. alpar had some I think it was, some photo shop shots. I'm not sure why everyone is jumpin on the band wagon of "they're fiats not mopars", mopars havent been their own r&d since the early 80's. They have been in bed with someone or the other for a very long time. If using some one elses tech thats proven ( I use that term lightly.... see the 80's comment) then why not build off that, Not fail from scratch. I'm pretty exited about where "Fiat" is taking this copmany.

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Have you seen any of the artist renderings of what might be the new magnum overseas...pretty sharp. alpar had some I think it was, some photo shop shots. I'm not sure why everyone is jumpin on the band wagon of "they're fiats not mopars", mopars havent been their own r&d since the early 80's. They have been in bed with someone or the other for a very long time. If using some one elses tech thats proven ( I use that term lightly.... see the 80's comment) then why not build off that, Not fail from scratch. I'm pretty exited about where "Fiat" is taking this copmany.

I am too kinda of, I think this is just the beginning of them trying to cross bread the fiat / European car designs in the states,

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Funny thing is IIRC it was sold in Europe briefly a couple years ago as a Dodge when they tried marketing Dodges in a few European countries...

I seem to remember reading about those- some were even available with diesels. Wonder if the Fiat will sell better, being Fiat's reptuation for, ah, quality, is more fresh in the minds of Europeans than Americans.

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Well since its all going under the Dodge/Chrysler name here, I dont think its going to make a difference to most of the car buying public about Fiats lack of quality in the past

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Well since its all going under the Dodge/Chrysler name here, I dont think its going to make a difference to most of the car buying public about Fiats lack of quality in the past

I meant selling the Dodge as a Fiat in Europe. I think Americans have pretty much all but forgotten about Fiat's woes- the 500 seems to be selling pretty well over here. But in Europe (where the Fiat Freemont is being sold) the wounds are quite a bit more fresh. I'm just wondering if selling it as a Fiat when trying to sell it as a Dodge didn't work so well will pan out.

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I meant selling the Dodge as a Fiat in Europe. I think Americans have pretty much all but forgotten about Fiat's woes- the 500 seems to be selling pretty well over here. But in Europe (where the Fiat Freemont is being sold) the wounds are quite a bit more fresh. I'm just wondering if selling it as a Fiat when trying to sell it as a Dodge didn't work so well will pan out.

Ok now that makes sense , i am not sure if the Europeans really know about the lack of quality of dodge of the past, but then again maybe they do. But there still is the image that US cars lack quality.

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Like it or hate it.............it can't be worse than the Caliber.

That poor thing was a "stillbirth".

This Dart is falling into a very crowded market with tough competition from every direction. I commend Chrysler for at least making what appears to be a modern looking stylish compact car.

Many of you guys are jumping all over the Charger...but Chrysler did not want to vacate the Police car market since the Ford Crown Vic was as old as Model A, and GM had no rear drive vehicle so it was a good choice, in my opinion, to produce a vehicle that fit the law enforcement community could embrace. I know, many cops decried the shortcomings of the vehicle, but it did find a home in many police forces. Here in NJ, many towns use them and they are holding up well.

I agree that the last version (the 1st 4 door version) was pretty "dogish" looking but it was forced to look like it did because it was forced to share the 300's chassis and interior dimensions. I think the new one is actually a respectable looking vehicle. I don't want one, but I think they look better than their predecessor.

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