jaymcminn Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Looking fantastic. The more you build the more I see what I forgot to do to mine. Really a great result on this build.Thanks, Eric. I wouldn't have known to do most of the stuff I did with mine if it wasn't for your masterfulbuild! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Great Progress! Beautiful Work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Here is a photo I thought you might all enjoy. It is from it is from the Cotter & Pearce book on Holman Moody. This is a later B model. You can tell from the twin carburetors. When I was speaking about the roll bar in the engine compartment I miss spoke(wrote?) and was referring to the anti-roll or stabilizer bar. As you can see in this photo it is much smaller that the one on the model. As to the eye candy in the engine compartment, there were a lot of different configurations. You can see deeper oil catch tanks in this photo. The size of the tanks was dependent on the race. The 427 used a lot of oil to cool the beast. Also of interest, at some point the need for a lot of fuel pumps was reduced by adding a large 2" diameter crossover tube between the fuel bladders. This ran between the tanks under the drivers seat. I can't imagine that passing safety inspection now. Just a little back ground that a lot of people don't know. On the GT40, H&M acted and the primary contractor with ford. When the original Mk2's bodies were finished in England they were all shipped to H&M for final assembly and prep. The H&M shop in Charlotte was always the main shop for this effort by Ford. When major mods were done, they were all done there. At the time Shelby's shop didn't have the capacity to handle that many cars. That is why you will see a lot of shots with John Holman in them. He had primary responsibility for the cars. There was a lot of friction with Shelby as a result. At one point John actually had Shelby ban from the pit area. You can well imagine how that went over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 That is why you will see a lot of shots with John Holman in them. He had primary responsibility for the cars. There was a lot of friction with Shelby as a result. At one point John actually had Shelby ban from the pit area. You can well imagine how that went over. Yet his cars finished in the top three spots in '66! I know John and Ralph didn't like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Yet his cars finished in the top three spots in '66! I know John and Ralph didn't like that. Actually the Shelby cars were the top two spots with the H&M car third. The finish was called by Ford and I never did understand that! H&M was running in first near end of the race and all three cars were so far ahead of the field that no one was going to catch them. Ford decided the finishing order and decided that it needed to be Shelby so H&M was ordered to stand down. It might have been that Shelby had two cars running and H&M only had one or perhaps Ford was going to market the Shelby name and they wanted the publicity. I suppose an H&M Mustang just doesn't have the panache of a Shelby Mustang. Who the heck knows. I do know that John Holman was a team player. Had the situation been reversed and Shelby asked to stand down that may not have happened. One other thought on the finish, it may have been that H&M had much more going on with the stock car end of Ford Racing and Shelby had nothing even close. Kind of a spread the wealth sort of thing. Edited July 18, 2014 by Pete J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davewilly Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 looking very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Actually the Shelby cars were the top two spots with the H&M car third. The finish was called by Ford and I never did understand that! H&M was running in first near end of the race and all three cars were so far ahead of the field that no one was going to catch them. Ford decided the finishing order and decided that it needed to be Shelby so H&M was ordered to stand down. It might have been that Shelby had two cars running and H&M only had one or perhaps Ford was going to market the Shelby name and they wanted the publicity. I suppose an H&M Mustang just doesn't have the panache of a Shelby Mustang. Who the heck knows. I do know that John Holman was a team player. Had the situation been reversed and Shelby asked to stand down that may not have happened. One other thought on the finish, it may have been that H&M had much more going on with the stock car end of Ford Racing and Shelby had nothing even close. Kind of a spread the wealth sort of thing. I'm going to go with this one. Ol' Shel built some great cars, no doubt, but he was always very publicity-conscious. This would have been right at the time the Shelby Mustangs went from being rare race-bred machines to more of a top-of-the-line production model, and the Shelby name was closely associated with Ford performance. It definitely made more business sense to give the win to the Shelby cars... not that it was fair to Holman at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afx Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Actually the Shelby cars were the top two spots with the H&M car third. The finish was called by Ford and I never did understand that! H&M was running in first near end of the race and all three cars were so far ahead of the field that no one was going to catch them. Ford decided the finishing order and decided that it needed to be Shelby so H&M was ordered to stand down. It might have been that Shelby had two cars running and H&M only had one or perhaps Ford was going to market the Shelby name and they wanted the publicity. I suppose an H&M Mustang just doesn't have the panache of a Shelby Mustang. Who the heck knows. I do know that John Holman was a team player. Had the situation been reversed and Shelby asked to stand down that may not have happened. One other thought on the finish, it may have been that H&M had much more going on with the stock car end of Ford Racing and Shelby had nothing even close. Kind of a spread the wealth sort of thing. There is no doubting that H&M were great race car builders and contributed to the GT40's success but I must disagree with you Pete. According to "Le mans 1960-1969: The Official History of the World's Greatest Motor Race" by Quentin Spurring P/1016 (the highest finishing H&M GT40) was never higher than 3rd place and finished 12 laps behind the Shelby GT40's (P/1046 & P/1015). Edited July 19, 2014 by afx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You guys are starting to sound like IMPS guys looking at a WWII airplane on a specific date and mission. Anyway - great model and I like the choice of not doing the #2 car colors. As with any GT40, these cars changed from race to race so to build an exact replica is difficult unless you have bunch of photos from that one race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 So here are some shots of the finished model. I'm going to post more in "under glass" as well as a link to this thread. The only real hiccup in final assembly was that I lost one of the hood pin clips in the carpet... I bent one out of wire to match (actually, I bent about 8 before I got one just about right!). The steel cable on the hood pin clips and engine cover retainers is .017 from RB Motion. I loved every second of building this model... even when I hated it! I've never stretched my talents or patience so much when working on a build. It was really an experience, and I learned lessons and techniques that I'll take with me on all my future builds. Thanks, everybody (and especially Cato) for your interest and support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Glad to help but you did a superb job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davewilly Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Very impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee66 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Wow! 'Impressive' is an understatement.. Thanks for all the detail you provided. It was very interesting to read all your posts. I feel like I learnt a lot, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Very well done- an impressive accomplishment! David G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timonator Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 First of all I have to say that you did an awesome job. I am just starting on this kit. Could you tell me how you hinged the nose ? Also how did you mock it all up before painting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twokidsnosleep Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Beautiful car, great build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Trumpeter totally missed the shape of the doors where they form the roof. The rear edge is curved, not straight as they did them. Edited January 2, 2015 by Mark IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Certainly true Rick. But a small nit to pick for the best 1/12 replica kit we got these days. And most of us who've built one corrected many of Trump's flaws. All your SPF LHD replicas are nice cars but have similar small compromises to 1966. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twokidsnosleep Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Are there any other larger scale GT 40 kits out there other than the Trumpeter???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Just the 1/16 Bandai kit from the 1970's but it is a Mk I and would rate a 4 out of 10 and they show up on Ebay once in a while. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bandai-1-16-Scale-Ford-GT40-Motorized-Model-Car-Kit-Unbuilt-/261671032375?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item3ceccf1637&nma=true&si=1bwKH3jku37CHoM0vh98A5F33Wk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Are there any other larger scale GT 40 kits out there other than the Trumpeter???? Sorry-NOT a kit but the best GT I've seen in any scale; the diecast Exoto 1/10 scale. Superior to the 1/12 GMPs. I considered 'accurizing' the finishes with use and patina but decided to keep it valuable. I used mine for reference when building my Trump GT: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Certainly true Rick. But a small nit to pick for the best 1/12 replica kit we got these days. And most of us who've built one corrected many of Trump's flaws. All your SPF LHD replicas are nice cars but have similar small compromises to 1966. Note that the diecast (red unit) sold as a "Shelby Collectible" is actually a Superformance replica! It has the Superformance LHD dash and the console/park brake handle that is unique to the Superformance GT40. The exterior however is correct and has all of the RHD MK II features such as the hatch to access the brake/clutch reservoirs. It is a nice piece for the low cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamach1 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) The left hand drive really turned me off to the Shelby Collectibles GT40's. How can they paint it with all the 66 Lemans markings and then put the steering wheel on the wrong side. Edited July 15, 2022 by vamach1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 Cobraman, here's my WIP of the Trumpeter/Magnifier GT40. Hope it helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobraman Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 It will, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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