Thanks for the response Ace, you put that out there in a way that was surprisingly understandable for us mortal builders. I do think people miss the point when they talk of "saving the planet" by driving an electric car, because like you said, it takes lots of fossil fuel to make the electricity anyway. I guess people just don't think of these things, kind of like when they tell us we can't ride our dirtbikes where we used to because of, wait for it, "soil erosion" Somehow a tire with nobbies less than an inch long is now the greatest enemy to our planet, give me a break.