danno, i happen to be big enough to apologize when i'm wrong.  from where i'm standing, you're comments came across just as snide as the replies i made.  if you weren't quoting me, who were you quoting?...........just asking.  i still question if you read the response as no one "banged" ira. my response was, in fact, geared toward responding to david c. 
  
if i made a mistake, i truly apolotgize. if you were really not adding fuel to the fire........why make a comment like that? in this thread?