Okay, what happened?

[Richard Bartrop]

There was an item in Car Kit News & Reviews about an impending new release of a subject that you would think would make it especially newsworthy, regardless of whether you agreed or disagreed with the choice of subject.   Granted, some the discussion got heated, like it often does, but instead of simply locking it, or scrubbing the offending comments, the entire thread seems to have been wiped, which seems odd.

Who knew an 1886 Benz could be this controversial?

Edited January 6, 2020 by Richard Bartrop

[DukeE]

Sad. Cool kit, price evidently not insane. Fun considering AMG version, or early Petronas F1. 

Usual self-destruct. Only board I've been on where people go to dump on threads of stuff they don't like, rumor-monger sans fact, etc. Try that on a 1:1 board, or a casual acquaintance's living room, it won't go well. Glad the mods are killing the BS. Too much good on the board for narrow minded negativity. 

[Richard Bartrop]

7 minutes ago, DukeE said:

Sad. Cool kit, price evidently not insane. Fun considering AMG version, or early Petronas F1. 

Usual self-destruct. Only board I've been on where people go to dump on threads of stuff they don't like, rumor-monger sans fact, etc. Try that on a 1:1 board, or a casual acquaintance's living room, it won't go well. Glad the mods are killing the BS. Too much good on the board for narrow minded negativity. 

Personally, I thought the AMG stuff was funny, and you would think that people are willing to shell out that kind of money for that kind of subject would be useful information to the kit manufacturers.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Richard Bartrop

[1930fordpickup]

The correct thing happened. 

[peteski]

And I missed all the "fun".  I will buy that kit when it becomes available.

Why are car modelers so averse to prices outside of their comfort zone (assuming that is what killed that thread)?   Wasn't the price simply just a speculation?  Even new Tamiya 1:24 automotive kits go for pretty penny nowadays (and you should see the prices for some of their larger scale aircraft).   How about the Ebbro Citroen DS21?  I think I spend about $80 for that kit (not including the shipping costs).

[Richard Bartrop]

Some of the Tamiya 1/24 car kits. are in the three figure range up here.  Now I'm not going to apologize for being careful with money, and a lot of people in the hobby simply don't have the luxury of throwing fistfuls of cash at it.  I have my limit on what I'm willing to spend, and if you want me to go over it,  you'd better have something I *really* want.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Richard Bartrop

[iamsuperdan]

What happened?

Sometimes, us moderators are real people, and we just can't be bothered to to wade through 3 pages of thread to weed out 2 pages of nonsense. It's much easier to lock and remove. 

Maybe if people could act like grown ups, and stop ruining things for everyone else, we wouldn't have to resort to this kind of thing.

A lot of people are insecure and overreact to the simplest things, and take every negative comment or thought as a personal attack. And then they ramp it up from there, and pretty soon, we get frustrated and tired and just remove the whole mess.

 

Sorry to those who were having a civilized discussion. 

 

 

[Matt Bacon]

To go back to the original topic, it'll be interesting to see if ICM go for etch for the wheels. The etched wires in the Gunze Hi-Tech kits are actually pretty easy, because they come with a dishing tool and jig moulded in plastic, so making them up is just a matter of dishing and stacking the spoke disks and gluing the plastic wheel halves together to trap the spokes. Something similar (but larger)could work well... the Daimler spokes aren't too complex in terms of crossing and interlacing, unlike Borranis...

Of course, they might have come up with a way of 3D printing them in some tough-ish plastic, which is the reason for the price...

best,

M.

[Tom Geiger]

I'm disappointed too.  ICM produces outstanding kits, with a focus on providing kits to the rest of the world.  We are just lucky they are sold here. American car modelers are a very small percentage of potential sales overall, and some guys just don't get it.  

Facebook has Europeans and Japanese modelers posting their work in the modeling groups.  Jaw dropping outstanding work!  

[Rob Hall]

It looks like an interesting kit.   The problem with the original thread (and many threads) is some people can't grasp that kits aren't $5.00 or $19.95 anymore, there is a wide range of prices nowdays...and then they whine endlessly about the prices...gets really, really old.   Prices are what they are..if you can't afford it, don't buy it. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by Rob Hall

[89AKurt]

Bummer, I missed out on a flamewar. ?  I have a few ICM kits, for example the 1/35 Mercedes G4 is insanely detailed, compared to the 1/24 versions.  Yes they cost money, imagine the tooling, and the factory is across the Atlantic, with government hands in between.  Not to mention lawyers, and licensing costs.   Add shipping costs.  If one has to whine about cost, then build old models found at model show swap meets, or snagged off eBay.

Try being a Moderator and/or Admin on a forum, gives you an appreciation for the non-paying job it is.

[Rob Hall]

Just now, 89AKurt said:

 Try being a Moderator and/or Admin on a forum, gives you an appreciation for the non-paying job it is.

I couldn't imagine doing it.. if I were a moderator, I would be banning dozens of people daily.   

Anyway, ICM kits are neat, they do stuff no one else does...I have their Opel Admiral sedan and convertible kits, haven't tackled them yet, haven't built a multi-piece body kit in decades, but I've heard they go together well. 

[Richard Bartrop]

Oh, I'm cheap, and I make no apologies for it. which is why it's significant that even at the price that was tossed out, which came from an actual seller, btw,  I still want one.

[Matt Bacon]

It might be safer, if we want to keep this thread alive, to focus on what those of us who want one know and learn about the kit, the references that are available, how we might build or improve it... and how much Harry would have welcomed it... which was a true and insightful posting in the previous thread that shouldn’t be forgotten...

best,

M.

[Richard Bartrop]

13 minutes ago, Matt Bacon said:

It might be safer, if we want to keep this thread alive, to focus on what those of us who want one know and learn about the kit, the references that are available, how we might build or improve it... and how much Harry would have welcomed it... which was a true and insightful posting in the previous thread that shouldn’t be forgotten...

best,

M.

All very true.  The amount of positive  response suggest that ICM might be on the right track with this one, and maybe it's actually worth thinking about what new kits we'd like to see from this era.

 

 

[Classicgas]

I definitely want one. I love the unusual and historical, just need to find a way to finance it. Not complaining about the price, it'll be worth it, it's just beyond my reach.

[Matt Bacon]

I’d like to see a kit of the first Panhard, which debuted the front engine, rear wheel drive, steering wheel, front-facing driver and passenger set up that has survived to the present day, unchallenged except by VW and Porsche for over half the existence of the automobile... Though by rights that should be issued by Revell under the Heller brand...

best,

M.

 

[Richard Bartrop]

21 minutes ago, Matt Bacon said:

I’d like to see a kit of the first Panhard, which debuted the front engine, rear wheel drive, steering wheel, front-facing driver and passenger set up that has survived to the present day, unchallenged except by VW and Porsche for over half the existence of the automobile... Though by rights that should be issued by Revell under the Heller brand...

best,

M.

 

Europe Models made a very nice 1/32 kit,  but I could certainly go for a decent 1/24 kit.  A 1895 Panhard also has the distinction of being the winner of the first official auto race.

[DukeE]

Alphonso Hispano, '14 dohc Peugeot, 999, Marmon Wasp. For later, a Y-job. All massive milestones, race cars, and mostly ignored save for the Hispano, and that wasn't 1/24

[peteski]

5 hours ago, Richard Bartrop said:

Europe Models made a very nice 1/32 kit,  but I could certainly go for a decent 1/24 kit.  A 1895 Panhard also has the distinction of being the winner of the first official auto race.

Yes, I have few of those (unbuilt as of yet).  While they don't have a lot of detail, they seem like nicely molded kits of some early horseless carriages. And they are the same scale as the Pyro/Life-Like Highway Pioneers series of cars.

[Richard Bartrop]

7 hours ago, DukeE said:

Alphonso Hispano, '14 dohc Peugeot, 999, Marmon Wasp. For later, a Y-job. All massive milestones, race cars, and mostly ignored save for the Hispano, and that wasn't 1/24

I'd buy any of those.  Another one I'd like to see, which is also pretty significant, is the 1913 Prince Henry Vauxhall.  Airfix made a 1/32 kit, but something in 1/24 would be very nice.

[peteski]

On 1/6/2020 at 2:05 PM, Richard Bartrop said:

Oh, I'm cheap, and I make no apologies for it. which is why it's significant that even at the price that was tossed out, which came from an actual seller, btw,  I still want one.

 

22 hours ago, Richard Bartrop said:

I'd buy any of those.  Another one I'd like to see, which is also pretty significant, is the 1913 Prince Henry Vauxhall.  Airfix made a 1/32 kit, but something in 1/24 would be very nice.

Even if the kit cost $90?

[Richard Bartrop]

37 minutes ago, peteski said:

 

Even if the kit cost $90?

Yes, though probably not all at once.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Richard Bartrop