Lorne Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I built this 55 delivery in 2002. I was so honoured to have it featured in Scale Auto (Oct 2003 issue). A friend of mine helped me paint it at his body shop in the down draft booth. It did very well at the shows! A ton of great comments !!! But,......!!!! as the years go by,.... it is dying!! The body is warping away from the chassis, the hood no longer fits, its sagging in the front right corner, roof sagged and the rear window pop't out!!!! What is up with that???!!! Is it "gassing out" ? Did the paint shrink the body? I have had it displayed in my cabinet, not air tight ... like I said since 2002. I guess the resin body gets as old as me! So what ever it is, your "prize" build could go for BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH over time!!! BEWARE!!! Sad, all that effort! Has someone else experienced this? Please let me know! Mind you, to little, too late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitchdup Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 That sucks mate. Is there anyway to reinforce the body to stop it getting worse, its too nice to let it go floppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynerd Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Resin is known to be inherently unstable so it always bewilders me when people invest hours and hours in resin bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeE Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Cool model. Looks similar to promo warp. Any sun hit it or the case where is is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 When I first purchased this resin body (1st one) I had no idea the quality, the material, the stability. It was one of those "have to have it" to help create the illusion. Now I know! Never been exposed to sunlight or in a sealed case so,... Guess live and learn, still a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeE Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Chassis looks great. Worth a redo, anyway. Awesome work. Still some decent bodies out there. I've got a ton of resin, not seen this before. Good luck man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Lorne, That's a dirty shame. Has the room been at a stable temperature all of these years? I bought 6 Modelhaus kits shortly before they shut down. I wonder how those will hold up over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 How much paint is on the body? The paint could be shrinking and pulling everything out of shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Hey Motor City The 55 has sat in the cabinet forever, no temp change, again no sunlight. Waynerd is right probably very unstable through the years. I'm thinking its may be just "drying out" like an old piece of drift wood?? I'm choked☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plowboy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Shame that happened Lorne! I've seen resin warp before. But, not years down the road. At least you can re-body it and salvage the rest of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutalform Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Waynerd said: Resin is known to be inherently unstable so it always bewilders me when people invest hours and hours in resin bodies. Yep. I’m finished with them. I’ll use wheels, but I’ve had some loose their shape while seated in the tires. My hoods are all warped also. Anymore, I’ll graft a scoop into a plastic hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahshu Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 What we are witnessing here is the 2nd law of thermo dynamics at work. I remember this model in the "other" mag, saddening to see this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Wow! I guess this confirms why I've always shied away from resin to a large extent. I've never really trusted the stuff. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBcritter Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Ooeee. For what it's worth, my first resin build - a Modelhaus Edsel - seems to be as straight as it was when I built it some 30 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Model Car Magazine thanks for posting this! I did mention the "other" mag and thanks to Yahshu for reminding me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Metallic Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Thank you Lorne for sharing your experience. it's sad that all your work is slowly turning into a twisted mess. Curious, who made the body? If you're reluctant to say I understand. But everyone else, lets not jump to "the resin sky is falling" mentality. First off, not all resin is the same. I have resin bodies in my stash that are now 25+ years old, not a single sign of warping. Then other bodies from 5 years ago, some warping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cole Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 It is a shame, indeed. However, if you have photos of it, and clearly, you do- than you will always have it. What is amazing, mostly for never realizing it before, is that like us, the resin sags with age. Another however- each batch of resin may differ, so it is indeed possible that not all resin will "die". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. Metallic said: But everyone else, lets not jump to "the resin sky is falling" mentality. First off, not all resin is the same. I have resin bodies in my stash that are now 25+ years old, not a single sign of warping. Then other bodies from 5 years ago, some warping. Understandable. But how do you know which is safe to purchase, and which is not? Personally, I wouldn't want to spend $80.00 on a resin kit, sink countless hours and who knows how much money into it, just to have it look like a 50s promo in a few years. Seems to me like the stuff is just not very trustworthy. I don't have any joy for this development mind you. I have several resin kits of my own, some of which have their own separate problems. But this is just yet another issue that doesn't help promote resin in my opinion. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, StevenGuthmiller said: Understandable. But how do you know which is safe to purchase, and which is not? Personally, I wouldn't want to spend $80.00 on a resin kit, sink countless hours and who knows how much money into it, just to have it look like a 50s promo in a few years. Seems to me like the stuff is just not very trustworthy. I don't have any joy for this development mind you. I have several resin kits of my own, some of which have their own separate problems. But this is just yet another issue that doesn't help promote resin in my opinion. Steve Excellent points, Steve. OTOH, resin bodies have been around a long time--30 years at least. If this were a widespread problem, I think we'd have heard about it by now. I'm tempted to believe this is a rare or isolated case. At least I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Some resin hoods and other smaller parts warp (curl up) because they have an extremely thick area adjacent to a thin area. One such example is an early Camaro hood with the Yenko scoop. I have two of those, from different casters. They are designed the same way: scoop is mostly solid making the hood twice as thick in the middle. Both hoods are curled upwards at the rear corners. The amount of shrinkage with most resins is miniscule. But concentrate all of it in one direction, and you'll end up with warpage like this. A resin body that is a copy of a conversion, with say, the roof or body sides changing in thickness by a great degree will also do this. I stay away from a lot of the thinner castings because of this. The right material could probably be cast as thin as some pieces are being done, but few of us doing these things have the engineering background to determine which material is best for a particular purpose. We're using the same resin for everything, usually the stuff we are used to working with. Even so, if you avoid abrupt changes in thickness, you'll probably be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Snake45 said: Excellent points, Steve. OTOH, resin bodies have been around a long time--30 years at least. If this were a widespread problem, I think we'd have heard about it by now. I'm tempted to believe this is a rare or isolated case. At least I hope so. I agree. I have several resin kits that are probably 20+ years old and I don't believe warping has been an issue on any of them yet, although the vast majority of them remain unpainted. The biggest problem that I have seen to date is a few of them drying out to the point that they have become extremely brittle. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 You touched on one possibility, Steve. The resin may behave until it is painted. Certain paints and primers might cause a reaction in the resin that other products wouldn't. I don't know this for a fact, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. LoL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Everything deteriorates over time. It is interesting to hear this about a finished resin model. I have noticed tires shrinking on regular plastic rims on some of my older builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tom Geiger said: Everything deteriorates over time. It is interesting to hear this about a finished resin model. I have noticed tires shrinking on regular plastic rims on some of my older builds. This is true, but I feel relatively secure that a plastic model that has survived unscathed for up to 60 years already, will likely last well past a lifetime. With resin, I have some skepticism. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I know this thread is about resin, but I kinda wonder if 3D printed parts might do something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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