First in-depth look at Round 2's new AMT 1970 1/2 Camaro Z-28 "Full Bumper" (non-RS) kit....

[Rodent]

2 minutes ago, Deuces ll said:

1/16???? Is that a newer Camaro???? The only ones I know of is the 1/12 scale '69 Z/28 from R-M.... I already have a "few" of those.....

Doh. Drinking. I was thinking of the 1/12.

[Snake45]

5 hours ago, Rodent said:

The 1/16th scale Revell Camaro was ~$60 when it originally hit the LHS. I liked it, but not $60 worth of like. Still want one I think.

The Monogram 1/12? I have a vague recollection of those selling for $19.95 in the days (late '80s) when the typical model car was, what, $6-$8? Maybe it was $29.95 but it wasn't anywhere near $60 or I wouldn't own one. 

[Mr mopar]

20 hours ago, Snake45 said:

Excellent review and pics, Tim, answered just about every question I had. 

About the only improvement I could suggest would be, I wish they had offered both the small and large rear spoilers. 

I'm with Snake45 on this one a two spoiler option would have sealed the deal ,but i do have the Model king kit !

[Classicgas]

16 hours ago, Snake45 said:

I looked twice more and I still don't see it. It's not on the instructions, either, and the decals don't seem to make provision for it if it's there. 

My bad. I was looking on my phone and thought the front spoiler was the rear one.? sorry!

[espo]

15 hours ago, tim boyd said:

David...thanks....check out the caption below that picture for an explanation of what those missing parts were....TIM 

Relooking at the chrome tree I see what you mentioned. My thought is that at some future date they may even reissue the basic kit but with the option of building it with or without the RS trim. I think that this would be a good marketing idea since they wouldn't have to worry about a shopper not buying one over the other and they would only have to stock one kit going further. My be wishful thinking on my part, but it makes since to me. 

[niteowl7710]

15 minutes ago, espo said:

Relooking at the chrome tree I see what you mentioned. My thought is that at some future date they may even reissue the basic kit but with the option of building it with or without the RS trim. I think that this would be a good marketing idea since they wouldn't have to worry about a shopper not buying one over the other and they would only have to stock one kit going further. My be wishful thinking on my part, but it makes since to me. 

That does make sense, but with the way the tooling is physically constructed (with the upper half of the front fascia tooled into a section of body core) there's no way to do that without including two bodies.

Now that is something that Aoshima has done with a handful of reissues where 95% of two kits shared the base tool and only the bodies were different. But I've never heard of an American company doing that.

[Snake45]

28 minutes ago, Classicgas said:

My bad. I was looking on my phone and thought the front spoiler was the rear one.? sorry!

I thought that was probably the case. 

[GMP440]

Looks like this will be a good kit to get.  A good candidate to do Type LT Camaro or a base model Camaro.    Excellant job Round 2.  This kit should sell well.

[Rodent]

4 hours ago, Snake45 said:

The Monogram 1/12? I have a vague recollection of those selling for $19.95 in the days (late '80s) when the typical model car was, what, $6-$8? Maybe it was $29.95 but it wasn't anywhere near $60 or I wouldn't own one. 

The Revell Foose version that was just out a few years ago was about $60 at the LHS. 

 

[Classicgas]

3 hours ago, Snake45 said:

I thought that was probably the case. 

The bigger spoiler was only on 500 or so cars. I prefer the smaller one anyway.

[Deuces ll]

1 hour ago, Rodent said:

The Revell Foose version that was just out a few years ago was about $60 at the LHS. 

 

Not for me thanks.... The last one I bought new was molded in white styrene and only paid $28.00 for it.... On eBay, and shipping was cheap back then.... ??

[Phildaupho]

On 7/25/2020 at 8:20 AM, tim boyd said:

 

 

Thanks Tim and thanks Round-2. I thought this might never happen I so created my own full bumper to build a Chaparral Trans Am but will definitely buy one of these just because,

[the other Mike S.]

I don't see the reason for only offering the short rear spoiler.  It's not like it would increase the cost of the kit since they suprisingly include both full clear and tinted interior glass options in the new Knight Rider kit.   

Including the tall rear spoiler would increase build options to theoretically make any '70.5-'73 Camaro except for the high bucket seats and Vega steering wheel on the later models.  Most Camaro fans who would build this model would probably have those items in their part boxes anyway.  All that trouble to make full bumper kit out of the split bumper tooling and they can't find the justification in tooling up a new tall rear spoiler.

I love Round 2 and I plan to buy several of these kits, but I wish they included the tall rear spoiler.  I hate to buy a separate kit (Baldwin Motion) just to pirate one single part out of it.       

 

[Classicgas]

Didn't need to tool it, just open the runners.

[Dragonhawk1066]

These are great kits and it's nice to have the full bumper to go with the split bumper now. My favorite 1:1 Camaro, I will be getting at least one or two of these as well. The bonus extra wheels don't hurt either.

[tim boyd]

6 hours ago, Classicgas said:

Didn't need to tool it, just open the runners.

We should take a closer look there....the parts tree with the COPO spoiler may be a tool insert for the Baldwin Motion kit that exchanges with parts that are essential to the Z-28, in which case this approach wouldn't work.  I'm not near my kits to check it out...can anybody else check this out and weigh in?   TB 

[Classicgas]

Look between the small spoiler and the front spoiler. Something goes there but is blocked off.

[The Junkman]

Any chance of a full bumper grill without any medallions or logos?  The Chaparral trans am cars had none and that's about the only Camaro I'd be thinking of.

Edited July 28, 2020 by The Junkman

[mopargreg]

1 hour ago, The Junkman said:

Any chance of a full bumper grill without any medallions or logos?  The Chaparral trans am cars had none and that's about the only Camaro I'd be thinking of.

Yes that's why Im buying this kit. To build the T/A car.

[niteowl7710]

7 hours ago, Classicgas said:

Look between the small spoiler and the front spoiler. Something goes there but is blocked off.

That would be where the split bumper lower front fascia should go.

9 hours ago, tim boyd said:

We should take a closer look there....the parts tree with the COPO spoiler may be a tool insert for the Baldwin Motion kit that exchanges with parts that are essential to the Z-28, in which case this approach wouldn't work.  I'm not near my kits to check it out...can anybody else check this out and weigh in?   TB 

Tim is right, it seems that AMT tooled up a near mirror image insert for the B-M kit that has the big rear spoiler in the same position that the smaller real spoiler sits on the original split and this reissue as well. 99.9% they both don't fit in the tool at the same time, so they can't run the kit with both spoilers in it unless they wanted to reset the tool and run it again to create a duplicate front frame, lower chin spoiler, lower fascia and big spoiler. There's no where else on the B-M Runner "Map" for the spoiler to be.

[tim boyd]

5 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

Tim is right, it seems that AMT tooled up a near mirror image insert for the B-M kit that has the big rear spoiler in the same position that the smaller real spoiler sits on the original split and this reissue as well. 99.9% they both don't fit in the tool at the same time, so they can't run the kit with both spoilers in it unless they wanted to reset the tool and run it again to create a duplicate front frame, lower chin spoiler, lower fascia and big spoiler. There's no where else on the B-M Runner "Map" for the spoiler to be.

 

Thanks James for doing the research and helping us resolve the question....TIM

Edited July 28, 2020 by tim boyd

[Dale Gribble]

I have an extra BM spoiler ..... seems it might be worth tossing into the rubber to make tall spoilers ??? 

[Snake45]

2 hours ago, Dale Gribble said:

I have an extra BM spoiler ..... seems it might be worth tossing into the rubber to make tall spoilers ??? 

I believe you could probably sell a few. 

[Snake45]

16 hours ago, The Junkman said:

Any chance of a full bumper grill without any medallions or logos?  The Chaparral trans am cars had none and that's about the only Camaro I'd be thinking of.

Sooner or later someone will prolly offer one aftermarket for eight or ten bucks. In the meantime, shouldn't be a big problem to shave and chisel away. I'd think that would be a minor problem if you're wanting to do a full Trans Am conversion. 

[Deuces ll]

Seems like they have the intake manifold painted engine color on the "box art" side panel.... The intake was the cast aluminum hi rise same as the LT-1 and 302 Z/28... It was never painted engine color....