ICM 1/24 Model A Phaeton

[Chuck Kourouklis]

15 hours ago, stavanzer said:

Thanks, Chuck.

I was thinking they had announced a 1926 Model T while I wasn't looking.

lol, sorry!

[stitchdup]

My model a arrived this morning so i've taken some pics of parts with a gloobomb monogram a coupe and its very close. I suspect the phaeton is slightly wider than monograms coupe at the cowl as the icm hood fits perfectly on top of the monogram part.

chassis lengh appears the same, (sorry about the poor pic, i didn't want to remove any parts from the sprue)

The monogram a body seems to be slightly shorter than the icm on the sills. theres a 1mm gap between it and where the phaeton sits on the fenders but it looks like the fenders would work on the monogram. Speaking off the fenders, they are slightly differently shaped around the front edge but i'm not an expert so i dont know which is right. they both look right to me but the icm may be a little more raked in the drop back from above the front tyres. its a nice kit and the plastic seems thinner than most feeling almost half the thickness of my lindberg 40 ford was. while any body swapping with the monogram kits looks like it would be a simple swap it would need a hood thats mixed between the monogram rear edge and icm front edge to work as the grilles are different enough not to swap between fenders (hopefully a printer will draw something up as a hood and sides would make body swapping as simple as it looks). the icm grille is about 50% thicker than the monogram. i didn't get pics of all these points as i just couldn't get them clear enough but seriously, a hood and sides needs drawn up fot this kit, and would open up a load more body options from the monnogram kits until mcm bring out more versions (i suspect pick up and van next)

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Very cool, Les!  Thanks for the first look.

[stitchdup]

I'll post more pics in the morning. theres some features in the instructions worth seeing and i forgot i had a monogram pick up thats unbuilt so i can get pics of the areas that were awkward before

[ChrisBcritter]

Thank you Les! How about the running boards; do they have the same length/width so they could be cut from the Monogram kit and swapped?

[stitchdup]

27 minutes ago, ChrisBcritter said:

Thank you Les! How about the running boards; do they have the same length/width so they could be cut from the Monogram kit and swapped?

If i remember correctly the monogram are slightly shorter but i really only had a glance at them. i'll check in the morning and get some pics. if they are shorter its nothing cutting the rear into the bottom of the fender or new trim wont fix as i think they were very close. the monogram plastic is thicker though so that could be more of an issue

[charlie8575]

I definitely want one of these. The paint set looks interesting, too.

Charlie Larkin

[stitchdup]

It was nice weather today so i didn't get the chance to get more pics as mum wanted soe painting done in her garden. But during the day i couldn't get this kit out of my mind so its hitting the bench in the morning. Should make comparison pics easier too, lol

[stavanzer]

And another Build Video.

 

[RSchnell]

ICM released their 2025 catalog and it has 2 new versions of this tremendous kit. The GAZ in German service kit looks like it will allow you to build a stock Russian GAZ A Phaeton. Ford sent multitudes of Model A tooling to Russia in the 30's & rumor has it that a lot of it is still in existence. 

I already have 8 kits of the original version and will probably be buying 3-4 of these new kits. Without a doubt the best Model A kit on the market despite a couple of shortcomings- commercial running boards, the truck 4 speed transmission and the interior side of the gas tank has the stamping as concave instead of convex, but this is easily fixed. This proved my suspicion that ICM documented a GAZ instead of a regular Model A Ford when they tooled up this kit.

Note the GAZ A used the AA truck radiator & rad shell. The headlights buckets should be painted black too as they were carbon steel like used on commercial vehicles opposed to Rustless Steel used on passenger cars.

The GAZ pic I posted is pretty close to a stock GAZ with the exception they used black artificial leather on the interior. The top isn't cut like an original but they were black originally.

[RSchnell]

Since I had this laying on my desk already, thought I'd post the color schemes available for the 1930-31 Standard Phaeton for those interested. The Standards is a thick compendium that tells you anything you want to know about Model A & AA's.

 

[tim boyd]

4 hours ago, RSchnell said:

Since I had this laying on my desk already, thought I'd post the color schemes available for the 1930-31 Standard Phaeton for those interested. The Standards is a thick compendium that tells you anything you want to know about Model A & AA's.

 

Last time I visited the Gilmore Museum near Kalamazoo, MI, there was an entire showroom setup for Model As, including extensive displays on factory color and trim selections (of which there were many).  If you are building the ICM or Monogram Model A kit in factory stock form and live near or are traveling in SW Michigan, recommend you check it out....TB 

[RSchnell]

2 hours ago, tim boyd said:

Last time I visited the Gilmore Museum near Kalamazoo, MI, there was an entire showroom setup for Model As, including extensive displays on factory color and trim selections (of which there were many).  If you are building the ICM or Monogram Model A kit in factory stock form and live near or are traveling in SW Michigan, recommend you check it out....TB 

That museum & the entire Gilmore complex are on my list to visit next year. They're in the middle of an expansion which will allow more cars to be display. I've got some duplicates of original Model A Literature that I'm considering donating.

[stavanzer]

So, the ICM kit is not Really a Model A Ford,

It's a "GAZ A". Nothing Wrong with That, but it is a little bit of "Bait & Switch".

It still looks like a decent kit, but like all ICM Car kits, it assembles in a really Odd way.....

[RSchnell]

4 hours ago, stavanzer said:

So, the ICM kit is not Really a Model A Ford,

It's a "GAZ A". Nothing Wrong with That, but it is a little bit of "Bait & Switch".

It still looks like a decent kit, but like all ICM Car kits, it assembles in a really Odd way.....

Pretty much. That's why the radiator shell is twice as thick as the old Monogram or Revell Kits. Gaz A's used the 4 row AA truck radiator & rad shell. Passenger cars were 3 row and the rad shells don't interchange between the two.

If they retool the fenders they can do a lot more with this kit. As it stands now, the only other body styles that the rear fenders interchange with is all Sedans, Victoria & A-400. 

[peter31a]

34 minutes ago, RSchnell said:

Pretty much. That's why the radiator shell is twice as thick as the old Monogram or Revell Kits. Gaz A's used the 4 row AA truck radiator & rad shell. Passenger cars were 3 row and the rad shells don't interchange between the two.

If they retool the fenders they can do a lot more with this kit. As it stands now, the only other body styles that the rear fenders interchange with is all Sedans, Victoria & A-400. 

If they retool the fenders, it would be nice if they got them right for a Model A and not a GAZ. Also it never got mentioned here but they released the top down version earlier this fall. It was at the Hobby store I frequent. My model building buddies were trying to get me to buy it but I resisted. 

[RSchnell]

1 hour ago, peter31a said:

If they retool the fenders, it would be nice if they got them right for a Model A and not a GAZ. Also it never got mentioned here but they released the top down version earlier this fall. It was at the Hobby store I frequent. My model building buddies were trying to get me to buy it but I resisted. 

The fenders are the same between American & Russian Fords as they were stamped from the same dies. The running boards aren't correct for a passenger car but this is easily fixed. 

[peter31a]

34 minutes ago, RSchnell said:

The fenders are the same between American & Russian Fords as they were stamped from the same dies. The running boards aren't correct for a passenger car but this is easily fixed. 

Yes, I should have phrased that differently. I said it that way because the running boards are molded with the fenders in the kit but I never mentioned the running boards in my comment. How is it “easily “ fixed? I don’t see how it can be done without cutting them apart and making your own and not sure how to replicate the proper pattern for the rubber. Then, you have to replicate the metal outer edge.

[stitchdup]

the monogram coupe fenders fit the chassis but not the pick up fenders. i haven't got to trying them on the body yet

[Ace-Garageguy]

GAZ or not, it's always nice to have alternate sources of vintage Ford parts in 1/24.

Kit #24052 (photo above) appears to be a US version. Is that correct?

[stavanzer]

40 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Kit #24052 (photo above) appears to be a US version. Is that correct?

I'd say you are correct. The Gangster Guns and other pats will be nice to have in 1/24 scale. They should be very well molded, compared to the parts in the MPC Gangbusters kits.

[peter31a]

41 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

GAZ or not, it's always nice to have alternate sources of vintage Ford parts in 1/24.

Kit #24052 (photo above) appears to be a US version. Is that correct?

They are marketed as U.S. version but because of the issues noted above, they are not. They are GAZ ( Russian) versions of a Model A.

[RSchnell]

It takes very little to convert an ICM kit to a stateside Model A, I doubt most people would know the difference. I've been messing with Model A's for 40 yrs and have restored a few dozen for customers so what stands out to me might not to the average person.

The kits certainly have a lot going for them, I hope they continue to add body styles. Given their location this is probably easier said than done.

[tim boyd]

One really interesting point that I don't believe has rec'd much comment one so for is the Model A "Banger" engine is this kit.

it blows away any of the prior Model A/B engines in 1/24t/1/25th scale kits. 

And the hot rod banger parts in the two old school Revell Model As ('29 roadster/closed cab pickup and '31 Tudor/Woody/pseudo–Sedan Delivery) kits fit well enough to avoid any major bi-scale compatibility issues.  I have a Banger hot rod under construction right now using the iCM engine....TB 

[stitchdup]

theres a few conversion parts for the 4 pot. i've got a cragar set up for the icm i'm building, and a few other parts