A question for Mr. Goldman - Re Round 2

[SteveG]

On 6/18/2024 at 8:34 PM, dietgilroy said:

Steve, will we get the MPC Fiero, and  the majority of the contemporary AMT Ertl model kits made in the 90s (SN95, 4th gen Camaro, Taurus, Explorer, etc.) reissued at some point? (hopefully the SN95 Cobra)

I'm sure that we will get to some more of the 90's era kits, were looking for the MPC Fiero tooling and some others.  In the meantime, I'll look to see if there's another version of the 4rth generation Mustang we can run.  We ran the '97 GT kit in 2014 and the Snap Fast version not that long ago.      

-Steve

[Luc Janssens]

3 hours ago, SteveG said:

I'm sure that we will get to some more of the 90's era kits, were looking for the MPC Fiero tooling and some others.  In the meantime, I'll look to see if there's another version of the 4rth generation Mustang we can run.  We ran the '97 GT kit in 2014 and the Snap Fast version not that long ago.      

-Steve

IIRC the Cobra was kinda unique cuz the Revell kit was a ragtop, tho Ertl at the time designed the headlamp buckets in an odd way.

[tim boyd]

4 hours ago, SteveG said:

We've got the '69 Falcon Modified Stocker coming back real soon, as far I know all the gates are open up on it.  I don't see a way to convert it back to stock.  We could clone one of the long-gone Falcon 3n1 kits but which one, and where would that sit on list of everything else we could retool? 

-Steve

Thx Steve for the info. 

The AMT '66 to '69 Falcon annual kit was a personal favorite of mine back then, and today.  Interestingly, been going through my volumes of the original Model Car Science mags from mid-60s to the end in 1972, and I have been very surprised to see how many of the "model of the month" contest entries were based on this kit series, especially given all the other cool kit topics available back in the day.  I can only conclude that the kit's Gasser version front suspension and engine setup perfectly captured the zeitgeist of the period back then, perhaps moreso than most other kits. at the time.  

Still....if I were in your shoes, I'd reluctantly be forced to rank a new tool Falcon well below most of the other retool/new tool projects you have in mind...

Best...TB 

 

[fairlane1320]

4 hours ago, SteveG said:

We've got the '69 Falcon Modified Stocker coming back real soon, as far I know all the gates are open up on it.  I don't see a way to convert it back to stock.  We could clone one of the long-gone Falcon 3n1 kits but which one, and where would that sit on list of everything else we could retool? 

-Steve

How about the 68/69 Fairlane/Torino/Cobra convertible, any chance that will make a comeback?

[Motor City]

I think most on this board would want Round2 to prioritize the cloning of the '66 Skylark GS, '67 Cougar, '67 Camaro SS and '68 Torino GT Indy Pace Cars, '69 Mach1 promo, '69 Coronet R/T, '70 or '71 Cyclone GT, '71 Challenger R/T, '71 or '72 Road Runner.  For the big cars, probably do the '62 Galaxie 500, '64 Grand Prix, '64 and '65 Wildcat, '67 and '68 XL, and '68 and '69 Impala SS427.  

Eventually, doing both generations of the Falcon would be nice.

[ChrisBcritter]

Just to be clear, I don't think a stock-ish (the later ones had no true stock option) '66-'69 Falcon would be that big a seller. But it the drag front end setup and Webers were brought back to the chrome tree it would add some value for not too much effort. That original kit had one surprising detail - look at the instrument cluster with a magnifying glass and you can read the odometer! (it shows 000000)

Frankly, to me anyway, the only potential retool/clone Falcon that would be successful would be the '63 Futura - IF it were a hardtop Sprint for the first time.

Edited June 22, 2024 by ChrisBcritter

[Motor City]

I have all of the Falcons I want ('60-'66) but I always thought the '64 was the best looking, followed by the '65.  A '63 Sprint hardtop is a great idea.

[Luc Janssens]

8 hours ago, Motor City said:

I have all of the Falcons I want ('60-'66) but I always thought the '64 was the best looking, followed by the '65.  A '63 Sprint hardtop is a great idea.

Yeah, Trumpeter really blew it with their releases, so maybe an opportunity for Round2's cloning program and as it raced in Monte Carlo back in the day, and still is, in historic events. It has a worldwide appeal. Yet, if plausible, it needs major updating in the drive-line department, meaning cloning parts from more modern kits and adapting them. 

Just my 2 cents

Cheers

Luc

Edited June 22, 2024 by Luc Janssens

[Can-Con]

On 6/18/2024 at 7:28 PM, Edsel-Dan said:

The Javelin was Jo-Han's so will Never be seen again. Remember, AMT offered Many Jo-Han kits

from the 66/7 Toronado to the Javelin.

I had 3 of the Mark Donahue/Penske AMX-Javelin kit and have 2 of the J-H and 1 AMT boxed 70 Toronado.

Yes I would love to see AMT reverse engineer that Javelin kit, But that is Unlikely at best

If they do I hope they scale it down to true 1/25. The old Jo-Han kit was 1/24 even though it said 1/25 on the box.

[kjohan]

Agree on Falcon Sprint but should be m64 with rally interior and rally tires as option as well as proper Monte Carlo decals from that year and start no 49 = Bo Ljungfeldts car ,

coming in 2nd in total after Hopkirk in Mini,

new rules/ handicaps favouring small cars.

But Ljungfeldt won all the special stages -64,

as he did the previous year -63. Would have won -63

if he had not been stuck too long in traffic chaos on a transport stage due to very heavy snow.

He is the only driver ever being fastest on all special stages in Monte Carlo  two years and that  in a row.

Edited June 22, 2024 by kjohan
Spelling , corrections

[dietgilroy]

On 6/21/2024 at 9:10 AM, SteveG said:

I'm sure that we will get to some more of the 90's era kits, were looking for the MPC Fiero tooling and some others.  In the meantime, I'll look to see if there's another version of the 4rth generation Mustang we can run.  We ran the '97 GT kit in 2014 and the Snap Fast version not that long ago.      

-Steve

i hope you find the toolings for the fiero and other 90s toolings as well.

also for reissuing glue kits like the Viper RT and GTS and more, will you resize the wheels to be more accurate? and maybe do some more changes to make the GTS more accurate?

and for kits that had different variations (Fiero, C4 Corvette, Silverado, 3rd and 4th gen F Bodies, etc.), why not make it so you can have different bumper variations in the same box?

[stavanzer]

Round2 would do well to start the Falcon revival with the '64 Falcon kit.

It looks to cover all the bases with Rally, Stock and a mild custom.

Of Course it is missing the later Gasser Front Axle Parts, but those might be able to be included.

https://modelkitreviews.proboards.com/thread/1330/1964-ford-falcon-sprint-hardtop

 

To my Eyes, the '68/69 Falcon looks like a completely different kit, but I am no expert on Fords.

 

https://public.fotki.com/drasticplasticsmcc/mkiba-build-under-c/amt-instructions/automotive-cars--pi/ford/1961-1970/amt-1969-ford-falcon/jojo0310.html

 

https://modelkitreviews.proboards.com/thread/1253/amt-1968-ford-falcon

 

 

[kjohan]

10 hours ago, stavanzer said:

Round2 would do well to start the Falcon revival with the '64 Falcon kit.

It looks to cover all the bases with Rally, Stock and a mild custom.

Of Course it is missing the later Gasser Front Axle Parts, but those might be able to be included.

https://modelkitreviews.proboards.com/thread/1330/1964-ford-falcon-sprint-hardtop

 

 

 

 

 

 

This kit was rather good , some improvments could be added

And a main correction needed : The car IS a -64 but the decals with the start number221 are from the Peter Jopp car in -63 = wrong year

[M W Elky]

On 6/21/2024 at 9:41 AM, SteveG said:

We've got the '69 Falcon Modified Stocker coming back real soon, as far I know all the gates are open up on it.  I don't see a way to convert it back to stock.  We could clone one of the long-gone Falcon 3n1 kits but which one, and where would that sit on list of everything else we could retool? 

-Steve

I think the 1967 version with all of the Gasser parts and a stock option with that great 1967 box art but just my opinion 

[Chris V]

14 hours ago, stavanzer said:

Round2 would do well to start the Falcon revival with the '64 Falcon kit.

It looks to cover all the bases with Rally, Stock and a mild custom.

Of Course it is missing the later Gasser Front Axle Parts, but those might be able to be included.

 

In terms of sales potential, cloning the 1964-65 Falcon Sprint annual kit would probably be a better investment than the 1968-69 annual considering the predecessor's popularity in (historic) motor racing.  

The original 1964-65 annual tooling was altered into a funky-looking altered wheelbase kit, with little resemblance to the actual AWB cars. 

A decade or so ago, Trumpeter made a modern full-detail kit of the 1964 Falcon/Ranchero but they had a number of inaccuracies and flaws, and have now become quite scarce. 

[spkgibsonfirebird]

On 6/21/2024 at 2:27 PM, fairlane1320 said:

How about the 68/69 Fairlane/Torino/Cobra convertible, any chance that will make a comeback?

I'd love to see these kits come back of these iconic late '60s muscle car's. The original kits are hard to find and extremely expensive. 

[Ragtop Man]

On 6/22/2024 at 6:35 PM, stavanzer said:

Round2 would do well to start the Falcon revival with the '64 Falcon kit.

It looks to cover all the bases with Rally, Stock and a mild custom.

Of Course it is missing the later Gasser Front Axle Parts, but those might be able to be included.

https://modelkitreviews.proboards.com/thread/1330/1964-ford-falcon-sprint-hardtop

 

To my Eyes, the '68/69 Falcon looks like a completely different kit, but I am no expert on Fords.

 

https://public.fotki.com/drasticplasticsmcc/mkiba-build-under-c/amt-instructions/automotive-cars--pi/ford/1961-1970/amt-1969-ford-falcon/jojo0310.html

 

https://modelkitreviews.proboards.com/thread/1253/amt-1968-ford-falcon

 

 

Late to this party, but yes, the '64-5 are completely different than the '66-69. No shared content in either.