sjordan2 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) This forum is composed of people who value quality, innovation and creativity. You may have seen many excerpts today from Steve Jobs' commencement address at Stanford University in 2005, and I thought a few of you would like to benefit from it in its entirety. This relates to the way we view our world, live our everyday lives and even approach our hobbies. One commentator called it the Gettysburg Address of commencement speeches. It's 22 minutes, and worth every second. Edited October 6, 2011 by sjordan2
lordairgtar Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Visionary? Genius? Tech icon? All of these for sure, but also a horrible person to work for.
Rob Z Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 What I learned from Steve Jobs is rather simple, perseverance. Live life and enjoy every moment, our outcome is inevitable... R.I.P. Steve Jobs
Harry P. Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 a horrible person to work for. Have you worked for him?
Art Anderson Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 I've never owned a single Apple product (although I may change--iPhone and/or iPad sure look tempting!), but I can see a TON of wisdom in Jobs' words. In the bottom line, it's NOT what tools are in one's toolbox (education, training, etc., but WHAT one does with those tools! that is also true with our hobby--it's not the sheer number and/or variety of tools (you know airbrushes, Dremels, needle files, on and on) at one's workbench--but what we (each and every one of us do with those tools. Steve Jobs, Rest in peace--you changed our world immeasureably for the better! Thanks! Art
Gregg Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 This magazine would not have been made possible without the benefit of Steve Wozniak's invention. I told that to Woz back in 2002, and now talk/email with him about two-three times a year, and he is a great guy. (I know, not what you expected to hear, sorry). It is sad that Steve Jobs passed away, he has influenced so many with his vision and work for Apple. Also, his passing has made me, and my other half, take a better look at our overall health. He was not much older than both of us, and even with all the money in the world, he still succumbed to one of life's biggest killers. His passing is a wake up call for us.
Dr. Cranky Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Directly, this is what I've been thinking about. None of us know how much time we are given, that's for sure, and although there are many medical advances, the truth of life is that we all must go, sooner or later, or as my doctor calls it: new people every hundred years. But it makes me think that if you live the life you have, not the life you would like or want, then I think you should be all right. That's what I try to do. Appreciate the moment, live it, and hope for another try the next day. One model at a time, one day at a time . . . it's the journey of it all. Gee, I think I've been spending too much time waxing poetic all these years!
FASTBACK340 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 What we all have learned from Steve's incredible effort and vision is what we've known all along: You can't take it with you. But what he left behind is history..... RIP Steve BTW: I ADORE my I-Phone 4!
Danno Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Also, his passing has made me, and my other half, take a better look at our overall health. He was not much older than both of us, and even with all the money in the world, he still succumbed to one of life's biggest killers. His passing is a wake up call for us. True dat.
Danno Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Gee, I think I've been spending too much time waxing poetic all these years! And why not? You certainly haven't been waxing your most memorable builds, now have you? :lol:
Joe Handley Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Actually that is a well known fact about him, also what led to him being relieved of power in 1985. Even with that he will genuinely be missed. Yea, I've read that he wasn't well liked by anybody who delt with him on a work basis and supposedly admits to stealing other peoples ideas, improving them, and then selling them as his own.
sjordan2 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) Yea, I've read that he wasn't well liked by anybody who delt with him on a work basis and supposedly admits to stealing other peoples ideas, improving them, and then selling them as his own. There's substantial evidence that Jobs treated many of his employees and associates poorly, and some of the people in his personal life even worse. But he was a brilliant man who led the way to significant changes in the way we live today, all for the better. I think if you listen to the substance of his commencement speech in the OP link, you'll find find constructive food for thought. You don't have to like him to get it. Edited October 7, 2011 by sjordan2
MikeMc Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/record-thin-on-steve-jobss-philanthropy/2011/10/06/gIQA3YKKRL_story.html I think he was jealous of Bill Gates.....and Bill gives MILLIONS to librarys and schools.... RIP....
High octane Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Yea, I've read that he wasn't well liked by anybody who delt with him on a work basis and supposedly admits to stealing other peoples ideas, improving them, and then selling them as his own. I'm sure most of you already know that it's a "dog eat dog" world out there.
Gregg Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Here is a quote from the link posted by MTM "Now what will happen to Jobs’s fortune — Forbes has estimated his net worth at $8.3 billion — is a matter of speculation that is provoking discussion both about Jobs and the societal obligations of the very rich." The phrase that bothers me most is "...the societal obligations of the very rich." Since when is it the OBLIGATION of the very rich to take care of everyone?! Sure it would be nice if they helped however I don't think they are obligated to do anything for anyone if they don't want to. Like mentioned in the article Steve Jobs contributed a LOT to the advancement of society in a different way. The sense of entitlement a lot of people have these days makes me quite ill. Maybe if people stopped worrying about what everyone else has & concentrated on themselves they'd have more stuff. JMHO Joe, that is well said! I usually don't comment on stuff like this, but you really got it right in my unhumbled opinionated opinion, with onions....
Lunajammer Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Visionary? Genius? Tech icon? All of these for sure, but also a horrible person to work for. I've worked with two extraordinarily successful entrepreneurs. They were callous, demoralizing and treated the very people who made them rich like necessary liabilities. Yet I have immense respect for their vision, accomplishments and commitment. I've concluded that most successful entrepreneurs are goal oriented visionaries. It's their very nature to swiftly and impressively scale obstacles, which includes other people's opinions and feelings, in pursuit of their mission. We who work for them may not like it, but it's not a bad thing to be a tool in their box and contribute to something great. Frankly, most of us who are sympathetic to the human condition could never be like that, it's not in our nature. But if we recognize and understand that they may have never had the chance to learn people skills then we won't take their lack of tact personally. As I told my girlfriend, Steve Jobs made great accomplishments at the expense of the things that you and I would never sacrifice, but we get to benefit from it.
Chuck Most Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Steve Jobs... Henry Ford... Thomas Edsion...Nikola Tesla... what do they all have in common? They were all visionaries who, by most accounts, weren't the most pleasant people to deal with on a one-on-one basis. (And that is the ONLY comparison I'm making between Jobs and those other guys.) As to the matter at hand- Not a fan of Jobs or Apple, but even I can get behind what he's saying.
Lunajammer Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Here is a quote from the link posted by MTM "Now what will happen to Jobs’s fortune — Forbes has estimated his net worth at $8.3 billion — is a matter of speculation that is provoking discussion both about Jobs and the societal obligations of the very rich." The phrase that bothers me most is "...the societal obligations of the very rich." Since when is it the OBLIGATION of the very rich to take care of everyone?! Sure it would be nice if they helped however I don't think they are obligated to do anything for anyone if they don't want to. Like mentioned in the article Steve Jobs contributed a LOT to the advancement of society in a different way. The sense of entitlement a lot of people have these days makes me quite ill. Maybe if people stopped worrying about what everyone else has & concentrated on themselves they'd have more stuff. JMHO Let's also not forget that his wealth is not all liquid. That's not just hoarded cash, but includes wealth tied up in assets, commerce, jobs and economic flow. That, in itself, is doing something for us.
charlie8575 Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 I think the most important lesson Steve Jobs, or any of his general ilk can teach is this: Hold fast to your visions and dreams, and let nothing stop you. On a side-note, I agree 100% with Joe C. and Mike Laliberte on the wealth/obligation comment. While I suppose there might be a moral obligation, "giving" takes many forms, and helping make personal computing (as much as I despise computers of any kind,) possible, along with its subsequent advances. All the other wonders of the world brought forth by not just Steve Jobs- but as Chuck said, Ford, Edison, Tesla, even people like Samuel Colt with interchangeable parts, making the subsequent devices and products a reality, are how these men paid their debt to society, and any additional should be purely of free will; the conscience is something no man can dictate to another. The inventive, entrepreneurial spirit, when used for the advancement of society, is probably the greatest gift man has to himself. Charlie Larkin
Harry P. Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 While I suppose there might be a moral obligation, "giving" takes many forms, and helping make personal computing (as much as I despise computers of any kind,) possible, along with its subsequent advances. Charlie Larkin So... are you holding your nose every time you post??? Do you wear gloves when you're typing on your keyboard so you don't get any computer cooties? Seriously, though. You "despise" computers? Why on earth would you despise computers? I can see maybe being indifferent to them, or not using them on a daily basis (although the number of people who still get along on a daily basis with no contact with computers has to be very small), or wishing that technology slowed down just a tiny bit, or yearning for the "good old days,"... but despising computers? Where does that come from?
Chuck Most Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Why can't someone despise a computer? You could say that a car is just as vital to living in the 'modern world' as a computer, perhaps even more so (I'd love to see you commute to work, or bring home a week's worth of groceries and a new sofa with a computer), but there is a pretty sizable chunk of the population who despises automobiles, even though many of those people own and operate motor vehicles. The car has been a pretty integral part of American life for about a century now, and there are still people who despise, even hate it. Why is someone not exactly loving 'modern technology' so farfetched?
charlie8575 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 What Chuck said. Don't misunderstand me- although perhaps that was my fault for not making myself clearer- computers are amazing machines, and what they're capable of is fascinating- we'd never be having this conversation were it not for them. I just don't like them very much, and the feeling is mutual it seems. Charlie Larkin
niteowl7710 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Why on earth would you despise computers? I can see maybe being indifferent to them, or not using them on a daily basis (although the number of people who still get along on a daily basis with no contact with computers has to be very small), or wishing that technology slowed down just a tiny bit, or yearning for the "good old days,"... but despising computers? Where does that come from? It comes from the fact Charlie is stuck in 1947. He despises all current technology...cell phones, computers, digital cameras, fancy doo-dads in current cars, et al. Not being mean, just his own words from dozens of conversations in our chat room here.
charlie8575 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 1970- color TV is nice. And what's with the picture? Charlie
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