Bob Ellis

Its a good kit. The original had Hurst mag wheels but this kit will build well.

Would work with LEDs if lit up.

Here is another way of looking at it..... Unless you are Juho from Finland , who makes absolutely amazing scratch built prototype cars, your best bet is any new kit from Revell or Moebius (and any others). All you risk is $25-40, and poof, you have all the building blocks to a different model you didn't have before. Art is probably correct, there is not enough money and manpower to make models the way it was 50 years ago. And even if it was, the demographics of the buyers today are different to support the business. Let's do the best we can assisting Revell, Moebius and others ( I just remembered Galaxie) and see what happens. It always seems that some great modeler figures out how to make any shake the box model come out better. I am referring to the guy who added 2 chrome bar to the incorrect Revell '67 Camaro grille. I am sure all of you can find other examples. It's been an interesting discussion. Thank's Art for bridging the past. Maybe this will help develop new kits. If not, I will still buy what is available and work with what I have.

1/24 is 1/2" = 1 ' . A common doll house scale

So where did the engine come from?

Although I believe the answer is that computers have created a somewhat square-ness to the new kits, some of you are indicating that there is not enough manpower (or money) to ensure the correctness. Probably why the Moebius Models are good because he went the extra mile to solicit comments and make the corrections despite extending the shipping date.

UNCLE car was probably a 140hp car. Had 4 carbs, no turbo.

A lot of the old kits didn't get built because they made too many back in the '60s. There was tons of unbuilt old kits in stores, and distributers even in the early '70s.

Again, we are still talking about economics , and not fidelity of shape, which is what I thought this post was about?

I think the real names are different; Andrew and Lucas.

I think this discussion has gone way off course.... Before I go further, I have to say that Moebius Models is doing a great job. I know he cares. Here is the question; Just for an example, how come the AMT '64 Falcon looks on the money, but the Trumpeter '64 Falcon is not. The front grille not even close. You would think that it might be better with today's technology?

Sounds like mixing apples and oranges. Technical issues versus economic issues.

Snake, the rear quarter ends were never correct, even on the original '65. It's a good idea to reshape those ends.

Here is a very sad story. The AMT '65 GTO has had a very difficult life. It was originally an annual kit from the converted '64 kit. In 1964, the GTO was a hardtop kit and the Tempest was a convertible. AMT decided in 1965 that their would be no hardtop kit, just a convertible with a separate add on roof. The chassis which had 4 screws in 1964, only had 2 in the rear of the 1965. The 1965 was pretty nice with updated seats, front and rear bumpers. The add on roof had a vinyl surface and included side glass. It cost $1:50 The kit must have been popular, or AMT losing the promo contract to MPC, decided to reissue the kit as a Trophy series in about 1966. In about 1967, the '65 GTO was issued as the Elegance Series. It was in a flat box which included a pearlescent spray can. It was molded in yellow with blue glass. It had no convertible boot, so it was to be built as a hardtop using the add on roof. With mag wheels and red line tires, 50% of the parts were removed from this kit. It cost $3 in 1967 which was outrageous back then. In 1969, the '65 GTO was reissued in a beautiful box with the All American eagle logo. I believe this is the last time the kit remained unaltered. Maybe about 1972 or 1973, the '65 GTO was severely ruined. It was now a Modified Stocker. All the emblems were removed, wheels opened and the visors were cut off. No stock part of this kit escaped destruction. The bumpers were totally ruined including the headlights. Ironically, this is the most valuable kit now because ERTL returned the kit to stock (sort of). The vinyl roof was smoothed out. About 1987, ERTL after buying AMT, decided to make a stock '65 GTO. Compare it to the original and you will see it is bad. ERTL left the racing screens over the headlights. All of the emblems were replaced but they did a horrible job in size and placement. The body shape on the side is wrong too. You need Modelhaus bumpers or forget about building it. The best way I can describe this kit is to compare it to an episode of Star Trek. You know the Menagerie, where the Talosians put the woman Vina back back together incorrectly, because they had never seen a woman before. ERTL did another issue later and the headlights were better. It's the only game in town, if you want a '65 GTO. Model Car Garage etched emblems will improve the end results.

Great detailing

Not to worry, it's going to look great in the end.

To me, the new kits have inaccuracies that exhibit square tendencies. Once at a meeting I heard this; "It's not a circle, it's an infinite sided polygon". What does that mean? It means a computer sees straight lines and not curved lines. It approximates curved lines. Use AutoCAD or another drawing program and you will see. Blow up the size of the drawing and you will see straight lines connected to other straight lines moving in other directions to approximate curved lines. To me, the old AMT kit benefited from an artist hand making the masters from 1/10 models. They had a very smooth and round appearance. Call me crazy (some will) but that is my impression.

The only way Revell would make a new Vega kit would be to do a Motion/Baldwin V8 conversion street. The existing Vega and Pinto tools are very modified compared to the early 70s small bumper varieties that I think people want. Not sure if Round2 can or would want to back date these tools.

Sorry to say, but there is no style anymore. Functionality is the new norm.

Well I think Atmobil has a good idea. I suspect if you just bought the 73 bumpers, grille and tail lights, you could shape or fit them to the 1975.

JTalmage, the work looks great. Can't wait to see it finished. It's amazing how good primer shows the places you need to do more body work. Better now before its painted.

I think technically, the GTX existed until 1974 as a Roadrunner GTX. The 440 engine was the GTX option. I went to a local Plymouth dealer to go to a Sox & Martin clinic back in the Summer of 1972. They had parked a 1972 Roadrunner with GTX emblems on car. The trunk had a chrome GTX emblem on the right side.

A 1974 Roadrunner with manual steering and an powerless 318. What a combination; slow and uncomfortable.

I emailed Kenny and got parts no problem. Maybe a bad email addresss?

I just looked at Keith Marks 1971-1973 Mustang decals. He has a set for the hockey stick 1971-1972 Mach 1 and another for the 1973 straight thick line Mach 1. Also, 1971 Mach 1 or 1971 BOSS 351. You have to be sure which year Mustang you want to build.