Carl, i have got some good deals on some kits, you do enough 'surfing' you can score some deals. the LA recovery kit was listed as 'used, like new' on amazon, so i took a gamble. roughly an $85 kit for $29, i had to chance it. box was re-taped, but all the bags inside were still sealed! i figure someone bought it, opened it, thought oh man, this isn't for me, and sent it back. my wife was even proud of me for my savy shopping skills, lol.