Jantrix

The Rally thread is up. David, your question is answered therein.

Here's our roster race fans! #98 Jhedir6 - '65 Shelby GT350R #42 Pete J. - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA #49 Pete J. - Porsche 911 #32 Jantrix - '51 Chevy Fleetline #6 Pat Minarick - '68 Firebird #72 Foxer - American LaFrance Speedster #00 426Pack - '67 Mustang GT # 19 da_ashman - Nissan Skyline #27 Ryansrust - 70.5 Camaro #2 Fat Brian - '68 Beetle #39 MeatMan - Sunbeam Tiger #41 Oldmopars - '41 Plymouth #5 Alexis - '34 Ford #51 LouO - '69 Nova #13 W-409 - '51 Chevy Bel Air #7 dsldriver - '47 Chevy #54 Aaron - Model T #31 Harpo - '31 Rolls Royce Phantom II #62 FredRPG - Rambler #34 Landman - '64 Dodge 330 #71 Eric Smith - '48 Ford #9 Bismarck - '39 Chevy Coupe #121 Swifster - '53 Studebaker #58 Kiwi_Bloke - Opel GT

Welcome to the Peking to Paris Model Car Rally Community Build. It will begin November 1, 2018 and conclude on July 7th, 2019, which is the last day of the actual rally. Unlike the Cannonball CBP’s there will be no poll, no winner, no losers. This is a race of gentlemen. We will use the same build rules that the actual racers use. I have outlined them below. Please read the rules in their entirety before you post your build as rules change depending on the choice of car. This is a smart man’s race. The person that plans well and drives well, wins. Torque will win over horsepower. Gas mileage will be a concern. Weight, the ability to handle rough roads, water, weather, mud will all be factors. It’s hard to imagine a race were a ’40 Ford with a flattie beats a ’70 Hemi Cuda, but this is the one, I assure you. Only cars of a model type in production prior to 1975 will be eligible. The Organizers may accept cars manufactured after 1975 provided they are a series evolution of the pre-1975 model and do not feature any performance advantage over the original model. Basically said- if a '76 is mechanically the same as a '75, it is good to go. They must be of a type designed to carry passengers with either a saloon or sports bodywork. Estate cars (station wagons) are not acceptable. Commercial or military vehicles such as light trucks, vans, ambulances, pick-ups and utility 4x4 vehicles are not eligible. Cars not capable of sustaining a constant speed of at least 80 kph (50 mph) on a level surface will not be eligible to enter. Entries will be accepted in the following Categories: the Vintageant Category - Cars of a model type in production from 1920 to 1941 the Classic Category - Cars of a model type in production prior to 1975 The following modifications to the cars are NOT permitted: - No conversion of live axle to independent suspension. - No coil springs replacing leaf springs. - No shock absorbers with separate reservoirs. - No changing of the engine make or configuration. Configuration means the engine must be set up just the way it could have been in 19XX but not necessarily stock. If aftermarket speed equipment A and B was available then, it should be good to go. Basically you are restricted to the technology of the year of the car you are driving. - No fuel injection, unless available as original equipment (a standard-showroom production item of the model entered). - No limited slip or torque biasing differential, unless available as original equipment. - No disc brakes on cars in the Vintageant Category. - No engine management systems or crank sensors. - No conversion to rack and pinion or power steering. With this in mind, a small steering wheel might look grand, but in practice would be detrimental to handling. - No body panels of alternative composite materials. No fiberglass or carbon fiber. -No wheel design (or material) that was unavailable when the car was in production. Roof racks are permitted provided they meet the following specification: - They must be of a design available at the time the car was in production - They must be made of metal - They must be no longer or wider than the roof panel - They must have sides no higher than 45 cm (18 inches) - the roof rack and spare wheels must not be covered Trunk racks - must appear period correct. All other modifications are permitted. Note: Not all cars were built to take the punishment this rally can dish out. So think about ways to strengthen the vehicle within the rules and without adding a ton of weight. Spliting wishbones, adding shocks, adding an x-frame if your chassis doesn't come with one, add a panhard bar, add gussets where appropriate, etc, etc. Spares There will no limit to the quantity or the range of spares that can be carried in the car but trailers are not permitted. Safety Equipment - Seat Belts: It is strongly recommended that all cars in the Vintageant Category have seat belts fitted and used at all times. Cars in the Classic Category must have full harness seat belts fitted and these must be used at all times. - Rollover Bars: It is strongly recommended that all cars have a roll bar fitted. the minimum requirement being a single hoop and two back stays. - Fire and liquid proof bulkheads separating the passenger compartment from the engine and fuel tank are strongly recommended. - A fire extinguisher of at least 1.75 liters must be securely fitted and within easy reach within the car. - All cars must have mud flaps fitted to all four wheel arches. - All cars must be fitted with a laminated windscreen or aero-screens Two metal rally plates must be fixed to the front and rear of the car in a clearly visible position, but not obscuring the car license plates. The rally plates are the image above. If we have a good decal printer among us, perhaps they would volunteer to do some decals for us. If not, I recommend printing them on good photo paper rather than a decal. In addition, racing numbers on the doors, for each side of the car must be visible. Numbers are first come first served. So when you announce your build, announce whatever number you want. 1 to 99 please. If you use decals like I do, remember a 43 decal can be a 34, a 3 or a 4. A 6 can be a 9. Be creative so that you don’t replicate someone else’s number. I realize that the actual 1:1 cars have magnetic numbers issued. A number in a light or dark circle depending on body color. If you have the ability to do generate a decal of that, rock on. If not, throwing the Intimidators number 3 on there is permissible. Other Items as outlined in section 9.2 of the P2P Regs, such as tents, sleeping bags, first aid kit, spare tires, tow ropes are not required because they could simply be in a closed trunk, but adding them to the build in some way (backseat?) would be very cool. Some useful links. http://www.endurorally.com/ http://peking2paris2013.com/car/ this will show you a lot of modifications that can be done and still be within the rules. Lastly, a Peking to Paris racer Google image search is highly recommended. This will show you what has been raced in the past. There is a team of guys that drive '37 - '39 Chevys and do well every year. As we get into June, I'm going to try to find media from the actual rally and incorporate it into this thread to get us re-motivated to finishing the models. There will be plenty of questions from prospective builders. Let'em fly, I'll answer as best I can. P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf CAR Preparation Guide.Peking to Paris 2019.pdf

Sorry to burst your bubble but a lot of that stuff will not be required. I'm editing the requirements to reflect model cars. Of course it's optional to build those, but I'm not going to require it for the CBP. I'll be posting the official build thread tomorrow, stay tuned for the full rules.

Brother you sure got that right. I can't rememeber a model that finished the way I imagined it when I tore the plastic off the kit.

A long while ago I send a model to a fellow modeler who, without mentioning names, is a pretty well known fella in modeling circles, so the model could be shown at NNL Birmingham. I packed it as well as I could, double boxed, bagged, bubble wrap. etc, etc. It arrived there with parts broken off. After the NNL, he packed it as well as I had and it arrived back home, with other parts broken off. IMHO, even if the model is well packed it depends on what gorilla is handling your package on any given day in the mail system.

It's looking good Mike. Good luck with the casting. My '53 made a brief appearance on the bench last week. For those that don't know. Mike has ben handling the race poll for the last four years or so, and it's always top notch. Much appreciated as always.

Completed builds thread is up.

Thank you for reviewing the entries, please click HERE to vote for your one favorite. All forum members are welcome to vote. Now that all entrants are posted if you wish to leave ataboys and other comments please feel free. Thanks again to Lunajammer for organizing the poll again this year.

Thanks guys. Right now I'm slowly building the garage set pieces. I'm doing the metal shelving unit and everything that's going on it. It's a model in itelf. They have to get done and placed before the balcony can go in. Lots of plans. This will be a slow build.

That's a good question. By configuration means the engine must be set up just the way it could have been in 19XX but not necessarily stock. If aftermarket speed equipment A and B was available then, it should be good to go. Basically you are restricted to the technology of the year of the car you are driving. Remember gang this is a rally that will be driven mostly OFF the paved roads. Horsepower good, torque better. At nearly 15000 miles, in 33 days thats nearly 500 miles per day. Mileage matters. Weight matters. If you are driving a '68 Dart would you choose a 426? A 360? A 225?

And I'm just going to leave THIS right here. Enjoy.

BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH. That is just really impressive work. Imaginative, cleanly done, and fast as hell. That there is an epic Cannonballer.

Racers please check in on the 2019 theme thread. Next year has been figured out. I think it will work for most everyone.

I'm just gonna leave this here and walk away quietly. https://jalopnik.com/how-japanese-dodge-van-fanatics-modify-their-huge-vans-1827354118

P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf

Then I have good news. After conferring with some of the (un)usual suspects of the Cannonball CBP, we have decided to run BOTH the Cannonball and the P2P! Here's how it's gonna go down. I will start the P2P Rally CBP on November 1, 2018, and end it on July 7th, 2019, the last day of the actual rally. As it's a gentlemen's race, no poll, no winner, no losers. Then I will start the Cannonball (theme will be vans) as usual, on Jan 1 2019 - Dec 1 2019. This way they will be staggered and people would have more time to participate in either or both. I'm sorry to not offer a choice on the Cannonball theme like I normally would, but the following for vans was very strong when we chose this years theme, that when inliners beat them out by one vote, I believe, I was asked privately by at least three people if we could save it for 2019. So that's what I'm gonna do. The Cannonball was won by a van built by our pal Zenrat many years ago, so if you think a van isn't a good candidate, history says otherwise. Not to mention Brock Yates won the real one in a Dodge ambulance with a 440. Stay tuned race fans.

Kinda true. As for engines it has to be something the car would have come with stock. Same with wheels. But here's no rules on multi carb intakes, headers, etc. There are custom things you can do to lighten the car. Check out this '40. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/

That seems like some sort of hoarding disorder to me.

Very thoughtful, and quite true. After Uncle Sams bite, about 600k left. That would pay off the mortgage, refurb the house, erect a new barn, put up fencing, and otherwise set up my farm for success with 250k to be tucked away for retirement. The wife stays home and does the farm thing, I keep my job and work until retirement with no stress. Yep, 1 mil would do me.

Very good work. I like it.

Outstanding. I dig it.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Thanks Bill. It really is. Or rather, will be. The property was in a terrible state when we bought it and this entire first year has been clean up, restore water to the property, chicken coop, and goat pen. These are my neighbors horses in my front yard. Pretty groovy view.