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It's definitly not the Johan Cuda hood, wrong shape of the scoop and the hood is to long to be a cuda hood

Yes, there were retail store versions of some avail as well. As an example Johan did the 1969 Plymouth GTX promo for Plymouth dealers distribution. Avail in White, Dark Red, Dark Metallic Green, Medium Metallic Blue, Medium Metallic Bronze, and Metallic Silver. All the metallic colors were painted bodies and the solid colors were molded in color . All had a matching but unpainted molded in color non-metallic interior and chassis. ( I have the white, bronze and metallic blue ( looking for the other colors ) They ALSO did a friction gear version for general retail store sales. They were the exact same body and trim but with a generic friction motor chassis . Friction motor cars were only avail in non metallic colors , Red, blue, grey + white . Pretty sure all of these were grey color interiors with the afore mentioned flat friction motor chassis . By most collectors these are not considered promos and 'usually' will not bring anywhere near true promo $ Best I remember 1969 was the last year to find the friction motor chassis under any promo by any manufacturer , at least that I know of .

Need some help , I am trying to indentify a hood . It kinda sorta looks like a 1970-74 Dodge challenger hood, but then again it kinda doesn't. Any ideas ?

3/4 of my builds are vintage drag cars and some Mopar factory stock. I do get a inkeling once in a while to do something different , just never do it. I do have a desire to do some IMSA cars sometime though BUT I have been buying up early 30s 'big' cars as a future 'to do' list. such as 1930-34 Packards Duesenbergs, Lincolns , Chrysler Imperials , Cadillacs etc etc One of my more recent buys was a Hellar Hispana-Suiza kit ( I think I spelled that right)

Probably need to define 'model kit ' weren't some of the 1st ones nothing but wood pieces that required sanding and glue to assemble them ? That very loosely looked like the intended subject .

I would rather it be late and right,,,,, as opposed to early and inaccurate. Not like I need it right now anyway.

I've shipped promos and builders that needed work and I wrap them with half a roll of toilet paper and paper towels . But never anything that was / is supposed to be nicely built . I just bought what looks like a 'really' nice builtup on ebay so I have my fingers crossed it gets here safely + packed accordingly

All I have are mopar cars. But I'm not against owning one of the others if it catches my fancy . Actually i've tried to get a few early Galaxies but always come up short.

Ok, I don't understand . Do you really think people have blinders on and don't think this ' other forum ' even exists ? The way I look at it is if it helps answer the question and the answer isn't here . duh, Link to it. If there is some kind of anomosity between the 2 forums , someone needs to get over it . Maybe its' some unwritten rule or deep dark secret we don't talk about 'those other guys ' I am not aware of , if it is, grow up. I sell Mopar parts for vintage muscle cars and on average I send a customer to my competition at least once a week becasue I either don't have or carry the requested part. I feel better about it because I know the customer will get what he/she wants and maybe , just maybe, the next time said customer will call me 1st and/or that vender will send me a customer when they can't fill the order.

I'm not that familar with any the blue max cars , but I've seen numerous pictures of the 71-73 bodystyle car in both a light blue ( almost like a non metallic powder blue) . and then some in a darker metallic blue similar to say testors true blue metallic. As far is which one is which season ? No idea

90% of what I build uses a carter AVS or AFB And IMO the best one so far is the one in the AMT 1971 duster kit ( maybe others )

Back then they were toys given away ( sometimes sold ) at the dealerships. usually trinkets for the kids that looked like mom and dads new car. Same thing today ( IF they're avail ) Dealerships sell them today for the same reason ( nothings free nowadays) Not all makes today have them avail and even if they do most are very limited on color selection.

Exceptionaly nice work on a so so kit I think I remember reading about this car, as the color combo is not very common ( obviously ) . I want to say the car is in the north western part of the country maybe

Good the hear there are other promos affcianodos on here. Yes, early Vettes can be big money. And I don't think much of any make or model after about 1974 - 75ish is a big money piece. At least nothing like the earlier cars/trucks. One of the things I've found is ,, color,, it will play a role in value in a big way . Even the box will add value , especially if it's a cartoon box like for the 1969 Plymouth GTX or the 1969 Plymouth Barracuda fastbacks. I know promos like say the 75 - 76ish Dodge Darts will only bring in the $30-$40 range . It's just like in the 1/1 world . newer than about 1974 drops like stones. Yet the 1971-72 Duster promos can still bring in the $200-$300 range if it's the right car, color and condition. I sold a sassy grass green 1971 Duster w/the box and decals about 4 years ago within minutes of listing it on Ebay for $450. Then turned around and bought another one less than a year later ( on ebay ) for under $200. ( still have that one btw ) so it's all about patiance - timing + a little bit of luck. The most expensive Mopar promo I've ever seen was an early 60's Imperial convertible in black. I think it was maybe a 1962 or 1963 ish ??? I was floored when that car sold for almost $2500 when the same weekend a purple 1971 Cuda sold in the $1500 range. which with exception to a 1969 Coronet R/T convertible . I thought the 71 cuda was the holy grail of Mopar promos. I do watch out for good deals in hopes I can flip it to help pay for the ones I keep.

Agreed, If they put the F60-15 in packs of lets say 4 or even better packs of 8 . I'll buy several right out of the gate. I might even take a few sets of the L60-15s just for sport

From what I know about 1/1 parts production. Model parts trees are probably just a 2 piece mold cavity. Where as tires are most likely a 3 piece tool that have a sliding tool insert to provide the hollow cavities in molded tires

Point taken, didn't really think about it to be honest. And to be honest I highly doubt you'll have any issues ,,,see the ' little fish comment '

I'm not a ford guy or even a truck guy. But I will get a few of these for the stash. If I may , whats a tooling mockup compared to a pre- production piece ?

Same here, and I have been buying up all kinds of early 30's cars for those 'down the road ' projects. I attend a local Concours event every year and these cars can make a 1959 Cadillac look like a 2 seater.

Cool, I got into them mainly due to investmant values, and vintage kits values are too volatile price wise. Plus they're instant gratification. Pull it out of the box, wipe it off and in the case it goes. If a kit gets re-issued the value of the original in most cases drops like a stone. Plus I was told years ago by someone who used to do box art builds for AMT and he told me I would be surprised by the number of tooling that still existed for vintage plastic kits. So I decided to start selling off collectable kits while the gettin was good. For me, Promos tend to hold there value much better. And Yes , I am one of those guys that looks at what something costs and is worth. I prefer to not put my money into something I might take a bath on later if it gets re-issued.Thats why I have a hard time spending $20 and up for re-issued model kits, when I know the tooling was paid for a LOOOOOOONG time ago . ( price of raw materials hasn't gone up that much) I doubt I have more than maybe a dozen kits in my stash thats less than 5 years old.

This is not meant as a bash so please don't take it as such. If you didn't think about the pitfalls of producing a licensed product when you got started you have not done your homework. and It's not my job to do your homework. That said , Licensing issues come into play when your making parts / items with licensed trademarks on them and reselling for profit. Hubcaps with the word Dodge on them as an example. 'Dodge' is a licensed trademark, the hubcap isn't. Reproducing parts from a long ago avail model kit , I doubt they'll even worry about . Using your 1970 Charger grille 'as an example' . I don't dare say I know all the in's and outs of licensing and it's nuances,,,,, becasue I don't. Only what I know by talking to the people at Trademarking Resource Associates in Detroit . Even then it's only been when they've contacted me. Like I said, I highly doubt they would even worry about you as a whole, but IMO call them and let them know your intentions. BUT ( and theres always a but ) , should you decide to produce say an entire kit ( 1977 Charger as an example. ) My gut says they will want there share, but I could be very wrong on either account. My previous shifter ball idea required no licensing , it bore no licensed trademarks on it in any way shape or form. I know someone who made shirts with the Roadrunner and Willie Coyote figures on them. He received a letter telling him to stop and destroy all merchandise or pay licensing fees on such. But that was from Warner Bros , not Mopar......... true story.

Thats all I use.

I can only speak for the Mopar licensing side . But I was told a few years back from Trademarketing Assoc (mopars trademark watchdogs btw) To obtain approval of an intended licensed subject depends on the intended subject. But somewhere in the $1800- $ 2500 range to get you started and appox 3% of the retail sales amount PER item to be licensed. IF Approved. BUT, I also have been told they will sign off on it at no costs ,,,,,,, ' IF ' the projected sales numbers will be considerably low ( under 50-100 pieces per year and/or if the retail is going to be extremly low , under $10 retail per item as an example ) This is probably how the model cottage industry gets away with no licensing fees. In some cases it's simply not worth the man power to go after little fish. PS, Also, trust me, people are paid to do nothing but monitor boards like this,,, ebay,,,, internet chat rooms etc etc etc to watch for trademark infringements on a daily basis . I have been contacted on a couple occasions to ck the origin of my product line for 1/1 parts.

Nice, I got one of these on my todo list ( unfortunately it's a long list)

The shifter ball I was ck'ing into was a simple 2 piece tool. Shifter ball is approx 2.5" in diameter. a simple plastic round ball molded around a pre-threaded brass insert . I was quoted $75K to $100K ( approx ) And that got me from my idea thru initial drafting design, prototypes, up to 2 tool revisions then to finished product. The clincher was , that once final tooling / finished product was approved,. Was the setup costs to run said tool for a production run was above and beyond that ........$$$ amount per piece depended on total item count of said production run . That was 5 years ago and was going to be done in a Pacific rim country. needless to say it never went any farther than my idea.