Greg Myers Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 I for one, enjoy the new attempt at using the original box art. I feel it more accurately represents the kit.
Southern Fried Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 You have obviously never dealt with Russian produced 1/72 aircraft kits....or instructions.....
Mike999 Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 38 minutes ago, Southern Fried said: You have obviously never dealt with Russian produced 1/72 aircraft kits....or instructions..... Or some of their 1/35 military kits, and those of their Eastern European neighbors. For years military modelers needed a kit of the UAZ-469, the standard modern "jeep" of the Warsaw Pact used by everybody. A short-run kit was finally released...or escaped...around 1999. I think it originated with some obscure Russian outfit. The Polish company Military Wheels finally got the molds, and at least issued the kit with useful instructions. Some versions had ugly 1-piece plastic wheels and tires, but Military Wheels eventually upgraded it with separate rubber tires. This kit was so bad that I'm pretty sure Eduard never did a photo-etch set for it. And Eduard did PE sets for everything. As military kit expert Cookie Sewell wrote in reviewing this beastie: "The body proper consists of 9 parts and a separate chassis...This type of construction usually speaks to alignment and fit problems, so be prepared." That was an understatement. He didn't mention the massive amounts of flash. A 9-piece body on a tiny 1/35 scale vehicle? That makes the Revell multi-piece bodies look like a breeze. If you want a kit of this vehicle, get the Trumpeter UAZ-469 that was released not long ago. Also submitting it for consideration in the "Ugly Box Art" Oscar category. Though the burning house in the background adds a little atmosphere.
SfanGoch Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 Military Wheels is, in fact, a Ukrainian kit manufacturer which is owned by the same company as is AModel. What a difference in quality. AModel produces finely detailed aircraft kits. The MW Beetles are complete dogs, even worse than the UAZ-469.
Mark Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 11:48 AM, Dann Tier said: …..I don't even know what to say about this BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH...….. If anyone is wondering, the boxes in this series do react to black light. AMT called these the "Wild Flower" series, I always referred to them as the "head shop" series. I've got all six of them. I think I've got a spare decal sheet or two; one of those "someday" projects is to grab one of the easily-found reissues like the Galaxie, '62 Buick, or '66 Mustang (called a '65 in the series, but it's a '66) and stick it together as shown on the box...
Rob Hall Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 4:12 PM, Mark said: If anyone is wondering, the boxes in this series do react to black light. AMT called these the "Wild Flower" series, I always referred to them as the "head shop" series. I've got all six of them. I think I've got a spare decal sheet or two; one of those "someday" projects is to grab one of the easily-found reissues like the Galaxie, '62 Buick, or '66 Mustang (called a '65 in the series, but it's a '66) and stick it together as shown on the box... That '61 Ford box art is pretty putrid, can't really tell what it is...--is it the formal roof 2dr that has been reissued many times (sometimes w/ the Styline box art,) or is it a convertible w/ an up top?
Mark Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 But these were $1.50 apiece, "one run and done" kits. They were originally to be $1.00 kits (that's why the optional parts were taken out), AMT couldn't hold the line on pricing. Quick/cheap box art = maximum ROI...
Dann Tier Posted July 31, 2018 Author Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark said: But these were $1.50 apiece, "one run and done" kits. They were originally to be $1.00 kits (that's why the optional parts were taken out), AMT couldn't hold the line on pricing. Quick/cheap box art = maximum ROI... Quick/cheap box art= Quick/ cheap box art...
Tom Geiger Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark said: But these were $1.50 apiece, "one run and done" kits. They were originally to be $1.00 kits (that's why the optional parts were taken out), AMT couldn't hold the line on pricing. Quick/cheap box art = maximum ROI... This was supposed to be the “Last Hurrah!” for obsolete tooling that nobody saw a need for in the future. Get one run done for John’s Bargain Store before trashing the tooling. Remember these were toys for kids, nobody then ever imagined the collector market in the distant future! Fortunate that a few of these survived!
Mark Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 But, if somehow Round 2 were to reissue the long-lost ones with this box art, who would buy them? Or, who would buy them with other box art but pass them over simply because of this artwork?
Dann Tier Posted July 31, 2018 Author Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mark said: But, if somehow Round 2 were to reissue the long-lost ones with this box art, who would buy them? Or, who would buy them with other box art but pass them over simply because of this artwork? I'd pass on it...
High octane Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 I buy kits for their content and not at all for the "box art."
Mike999 Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 3:27 PM, SfanGoch said: Military Wheels is, in fact, a Ukrainian kit manufacturer which is owned by the same company as is AModel. What a difference in quality. AModel produces finely detailed aircraft kits. The MW Beetles are complete dogs, even worse than the UAZ-469. Thanks for the correction. SKIF is another Ukrainian model maker with some weird quirks (and bad box art). Their kits contained so much mold release liquid, sometimes puddles of the stuff would be lying in the inner plastic bag. Years ago, military modelers got excited when SKIF announced a new T-55 tank kit with full interior and engine detail. Not so exciting when the kit came out. It was cartoonishly misproportioned and just didn't look right. Which is pretty amazing, since the T-55 was built in the Ukraine and good source material should have been close at hand. Other companies have done better 1/35 kits of almost everything SKIF ever released. Except the BTR-152 series, and somebody will probably tackle that one soon.
ChrisBcritter Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Rob Hall said: That '61 Ford box art is pretty putrid, can't really tell what it is...--is it the formal roof 2dr that has been reissued many times (sometimes w/ the Styline box art,) or is it a convertible w/ an up top? The formal roof curbside hardtop - last seen as the Styline reissue of a few years ago.
PARTSMARTY Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) On 7/28/2018 at 11:14 AM, bbowser said: Peter Max? What is the car supposed to be, 64 Galaxie? It kinda looks like a 60-61 starliner. Edited August 1, 2018 by PARTSMARTY
PARTSMARTY Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 Boxes mean very little to me-I'm a builder and more worried about what's inside!!!!
Sledsel Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 1:10 AM, Oldcarfan27 said: If you think that one's bad, this is my opinion of THEE worst box art - bar none! Box art is supposed to sell the kit, not chase buyers away - laughing! I can't imagine who approved this abomination, it certainly won't attract first time buyers. Luckily the contents are a lot better than the cover. What is inside is not much better IMO.... Been doing a lot of correcting and scratch building on one
SfanGoch Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Sledsel said: Been doing a lot of correcting and scratch building on one Just like working on a real one.
disabled modeler Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Maindrian Pace said: Not even close. I like this box art....would look good in my collection of them.
StevenGuthmiller Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 2:24 PM, High octane said: I buy kits for their content and not at all for the "box art." I concur! Screw the box art! The contents are what matters! Do any of us really think that if Round 2 had the tooling for the '60 Mercury hardtop or the '60 Bonneville from this series, that nobody would buy them because of the box art? I can't count how many kits I have in my stash with photos of pretty badly built models on the box art. I would rather have something at least somewhat creative rather than just plain lazy! Steve
Dann Tier Posted August 4, 2018 Author Posted August 4, 2018 18 hours ago, disabled modeler said: I like this box art....would look good in my collection of them. Apart from the lousy concept of the car coming out of the cougars mouth, The actual rendering of the car looks great.....even if its not exactly right. I'd buy this kit.
Dann Tier Posted August 4, 2018 Author Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, StevenGuthmiller said: I concur! Screw the box art! The contents are what matters! Do any of us really think that if Round 2 had the tooling for the '60 Mercury hardtop or the '60 Bonneville from this series, that nobody would buy them because of the box art? I can't count how many kits I have in my stash with photos of pretty badly built models on the box art. I would rather have something at least somewhat creative rather than just plain lazy! Steve My posting was originally about good art versus bad art, weather it be cartoon, impressionistic, or realistic. Whats in the box isn't the issue here, The example I posted IS JUNK, I can only assume it was an early, cheap attempt at something like Dirty Donny's style, which is VERY good art. As people has posted here; "Whats this car suppose to be.....I think it looks like....", I'd care what parts were in it....they obviously cant draw....I cant tell you how many times I opened a kit that even had great box art, but the parts inside were horrible, so Imagine what one would expect from a kit with HORRIBLE box art!! - Yes I do care about the box art.....it doesn't instill confidence with me if you cant even tell what car it is from the start. Edited August 4, 2018 by Dann Tier
Oldcarfan27 Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Dann Tier said: My posting was originally about good art versus bad art, weather it be cartoon, impressionistic, or realistic. Whats in the box isn't the issue here, The example I posted IS JUNK, I can only assume it was an early, cheap attempt at something like Dirty Donny's style, which is VERY good art. As people has posted here; "Whats this car suppose to be.....I think it looks like....", I'd care what parts were in it....they obviously cant draw....I cant tell you how many times I opened a kit that even had great box art, but the parts inside were horrible, so Imagine what one would expect from a kit with HORRIBLE box art!! - Yes I do care about the box art.....it doesn't instill confidence with me if you cant even tell what car it is from the start. I agree 100% Most of us old timers may already know what's inside the box, but what if someone is new to the hobby sees this? Do you think it's going to instill a fire to say "Oooh, I've gotta spend my hard earned money on that!" It's all about selling. You wouldn't buy a bottle of putrid, cloudy-looking green beer in a dirty bottle, or a box with rotten looking food pictured on it, would you? What's ON the box is supposed to promote what's IN the box! Point is, some art director in packaging and product promotion signed off on this, saying "This is good enough to sell this product." At that, I'll say they were wrong. OK, I'll put away my soapbox now. Edited August 4, 2018 by Oldcarfan27
Dann Tier Posted August 4, 2018 Author Posted August 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said: I agree 100% Most of us old timers may already know what's inside the box, but what if someone is new to the hobby sees this? Do you think it's going to instill a fire to say "Oooh, I've gotta spend my hard earned money on that!" It's all about selling. You wouldn't buy a bottle of putrid, cloudy-looking green beer in a dirty bottle, or a box with rotten looking food pictured on it, would you? What's ON the box is supposed to promote what's IN the box! Point is, some art director in packaging and product promotion signed off on this, saying "This is good enough to sell this product." At that, I'll say they were wrong. OK, I'll put away my soapbox now. Thank you!.....that's exactly what I was saying....
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