Jim B Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The wheels & hubcaps look nice. Decals will probably work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 So, I was looking at this kit in a LHS over the weekend, and was considering picking it up. I saw that the kit has a V8 engine (302 or 351, not sure). Now if I do get the kit, I'm not going to do an engine swap, but it got me to thinking. The standard engine in the 1977 Econoline van is the 4.6L six cylinder (V6, I'm guessing). Does anyone think Coca-Cola would spring for the optional V8 over the V6 in this type of van? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Deuce Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jim B said: So, I was looking at this kit in a LHS over the weekend, and was considering picking it up. I saw that the kit has a V8 engine (302 or 351, not sure). Now if I do get the kit, I'm not going to do an engine swap, but it got me to thinking. The standard engine in the 1977 Econoline van is the 4.6L six cylinder (V6, I'm guessing). Does anyone think Coca-Cola would spring for the optional V8 over the V6 in this type of van? I could be wrong (it's happened before) but I think it would be an inline-6. The 300 was 4.9 liters, and I believe the only other displacement for the truck 6 was 240, but that would be less than the 4.6L you mentioned, and I believe it was out of production by 1977 also. If the inline is correct, the 6 from the Moebius F-150s would be a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapSat 6 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, Jim B said: So, I was looking at this kit in a LHS over the weekend, and was considering picking it up. I saw that the kit has a V8 engine (302 or 351, not sure). Now if I do get the kit, I'm not going to do an engine swap, but it got me to thinking. The standard engine in the 1977 Econoline van is the 4.6L six cylinder (V6, I'm guessing). Does anyone think Coca-Cola would spring for the optional V8 over the V6 in this type of van? That's a good question. I drove two of these as work trucks, and both had V-8's. The 8's would have had more torque and allowed for more weight to be carried. I do know that one that I drove was a heavy duty chassis, and often carried pretty heavy loads (lots and lots of newspapers). I can attest to the fact that they were good running, comfortable trucks. There is the issue of getting the right 6. The standard engine would have been Ford's straight 6. You can find them in resin, but there is no current kit source that I know of for a Ford straight 6. I'd be more concerned with the hubcaps & the right tires. Most fleet and work trucks did not come with full / sport wheelcovers. Bill's caps are just the ticket for a good work truck build. I might have to build my old office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Interesting information. I agree with you on the wheels & hubcaps, and Bill's do look really nice. I'm thinking the 15x8 5-lug wheels are the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 39 minutes ago, CapSat 6 said: There is the issue of getting the right 6. The standard engine would have been Ford's straight 6. You can find them in resin, but there is no current kit source that I know of for a Ford straight 6. How much of the engine can you actually see? In my experience with van kits, you can only see the bottom of the engine anyway. Which makes it a lot easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapSat 6 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, Tom Geiger said: How much of the engine can you actually see? In my experience with van kits, you can only see the bottom of the engine anyway. Which makes it a lot easier! Also true, and I guess that was the point I was zeroing in on...although this kit does have an opening hood and a relatively large engine room, if it were me building it, I would probably just use the kit-supplied V-8, rather than spend the $$$ on a nice resin 6 that will be somewhat covered up anyway. I'd use that 6 in something weird, like a Sportsroof Mustang instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom Geiger said: How much of the engine can you actually see? In my experience with van kits, you can only see the bottom of the engine anyway. Which makes it a lot easier! From the review of the 1977 Crusin' Van, you can see the bottom of the engine & the fan, and that's about it. Essentially it's the same kit, with different decals & a Coke machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972coronet Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Not sure if this is specific to the Club line of the E-Series ; however , it does mention that the 300 ( 4.9 litre ) six is standard , with the 351 (unspecified if it's the 335-Series "M" or the Windsor) and 400 ( AFAIK , that's the 335-Series engine) . http://oldcarbrochures.org/United States/Ford Motor Company Trucks-Vans/1977_Trucks_and_Vans/1977-Ford-Club-Wagons-Brochure/slides/1977_Ford_Club_Wagons-04-05.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Jim B said: From the review of the 1977 Crusin' Van, you can see the bottom of the engine & the fan What I thought! The last two Dodge vans I did, I only assembled the block with water pump, belts, fan and exhaust. Saved the upper end parts for a future build! I also built a Jimmy Flintstone Dodge A100 van with a used slant six block just to see who would notice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) On 1/27/2020 at 11:57 AM, Tom Geiger said: How much of the engine can you actually see? The hood on these kits is a separate piece, so while the drivetrain is tucked away, you can still see the top end when you open or remove the hood. I won't buy the entire kit, but I will seek out the vending machine and decal sheet on eBay. Edited January 29, 2020 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan White Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 12:56 PM, CapSat 6 said: Also true, and I guess that was the point I was zeroing in on...although this kit does have an opening hood and a relatively large engine room, if it were me building it, I would probably just use the kit-supplied V-8, rather than spend the $$$ on a nice resin 6 that will be somewhat covered up anyway. I'd use that 6 in something weird, like a Sportsroof Mustang instead! In my build, I just am doing a basic kit engine build and gluing the hood shut since you can’t see much anyways. You could just find any ford inline 6 to put in if you wanted to go that route, and either glue the hood shut or find some basic parts to replicate the actual engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 9:35 PM, Renegade said: Put me down foe two. One for the girlfriends Coke model collection and the other for the goodies for my Texaco station. Not sure about the other van. Kinda leaning towards an old custom van from the 70s or 80s. Way beyond my pay level but it's fun to dream. I love the old rerto 70s custom vans..built many of them as a kid even owned a 75 Dodge factory custom one once Goodtimes conversion...love to build a replica of it someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 2:48 PM, Dave Van said: coke bottles are clear green with decals for different eras Wha??! When did Coke ever come in GREEN bottles? 7up yes, Coke no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranma Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said: 7up yes, Coke no. The "Coke"bottles in the 1/25 cases represent the bottles in the first photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 YUP....a lighter green glass.....you have to be old to have bought them!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcarfan27 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Learn something new every day. Still, it doesn't fit with the time period of the van. Coke bottles were clear by 1977. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, Oldcarfan27 said: Learn something new every day. Still, it doesn't fit with the time period of the van. Coke bottles were clear by 1977. In NC I was buying, mid 1980's, 16 oz glass bottle Cokes at my local gas station........they were a very light green but green tint. The NC Coke bottler, CCCC is bigger than the parent Coke Co of Atlanta.....or was back then. So things may differ by region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranma Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Oldcarfan27 said: Coke bottles were clear by 1977. These are bottles used after '77 Still the light green glass.... ***Note the BAR Code***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, ranma said: These are bottles used after '77 Still the light green glass.... ***Note the BAR Code***** Bar code and zip code! Reminds me of the antique shop that had an original 1955 Chevy kit... mint and in the shrink wrap from 1955! I got kicked out of the shop for pointing out to the dealer that it had a bar code and zip code! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk11 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/27/2020 at 10:16 AM, CapSat 6 said: There is the issue of getting the right 6. The standard engine would have been Ford's straight 6. You can find them in resin, but there is no current kit source that I know of for a Ford straight 6. There were no V6s in these. Just as an aside, there is a fairly reasonable facsimile of the correct Ford 240/300 in some of the moeb F100 kits. Edited February 7, 2020 by mk11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapSat 6 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 hours ago, mk11 said: There were no V6s in these. Just as an aside, there is a fairly reasonable facsimile of the correct Ford 240/300 in some of the moeb F100 kits. That's good to know! Still- it would almost be a waste to put one of those sixes into this van, you wouldn't see much of it. Maybe some caster out there can develop an inexpensive block/ trans/pan kit for these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitbasher Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Is the AMT 77 Ford Van based on the 124" or 138" wheel base ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972coronet Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, kitbasher said: Is the AMT 77 Ford Van based on the 124" or 138" wheel base ? It's the short wheelbase version E-150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsprings Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 On 1/27/2020 at 9:16 AM, CapSat 6 said: I'd be more concerned with the hubcaps & the right tires. Most fleet and work trucks did not come with full / sport wheelcovers. Bill's caps are just the ticket for a good work truck build. Right, I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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