AMT Round 2 2021

[PierreR89]

5 hours ago, Mr mopar said:

I'm glad to see the Ford LTL 9000 back with the big sleeper ! and the Mack .

So no one is going to say anything about the single wiper just thrown on the windsheild of the Ford?
Is it just me or does something look odd about the exhaust stacks on it to?
Like they are way to thin?
I am still going to get one because i think they look good.

1 hour ago, Rob Hall said:

Interesting how these Italeri tools have also been reboxed by Revell in the past.  I guess they don't have the license for the Mack name so the Superliner is generic.

I dont think Italeri/Revell or Heller had a licence to use the mack name when it was made.

Italeri at one point called it "US  power truck" then it became the American Superliner.
Heller called it "US heavy truck"
Revell never called it a superliner, they called it "rainbow truck" because of what decals they choos to include and "Sinalco" as the Sinalco showtruck

But i would think that AMT Round 2 would have the licence from Mack because their line of Mack trucks have all Mack logos so they could add them in the superliner kit if they wanted to but only if it is under the AMT brand?
And so could Revell because they use the Mack name on their snaptite kits.
Or am i wrong?

[Jordan White]

1 hour ago, PierreR89 said:

So no one is going to say anything about the single wiper just thrown on the windsheild of the Ford?
Is it just me or does something look odd about the exhaust stacks on it to?
Like they are way to thin?
I am still going to get one because i think they look good.

I dont think Italeri/Revell or Heller had a licence to use the mack name when it was made.

Italeri at one point called it "US  power truck" then it became the American Superliner.
Heller called it "US heavy truck"
Revell never called it a superliner, they called it "rainbow truck" because of what decals they choos to include and "Sinalco" as the Sinalco showtruck

But i would think that AMT Round 2 would have the licence from Mack because their line of Mack trucks have all Mack logos so they could add them in the superliner kit if they wanted to but only if it is under the AMT brand?
And so could Revell because they use the Mack name on their snaptite kits.
Or am i wrong?

Could just be that Mack doesn't want to allow their name on it because of how many things are off compared to the actual truck due to Italeri's typical parts sharing?

[Rob Hall]

Oddly, the only issue of the Superliner kit with Mack on the box art showing on Scalemates appears to be a Russian-language Italeri issue from 2015...something unlicensed? 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Rob Hall

[niteowl7710]

7 hours ago, Jim B said:

The Aeromax trucks would be nice to see again as well.  I just hope they can keep the prices reasonable.

Doesn't seem likely, both of the previous AMT Italeri reboxes have been more expensive on the shelf than the actual Italeri kits themselves. Other than getting these on the shelves at Hobby Lobby I'm still not sure what the point of these kits are as they're not releasing kits that are otherwise hard to find.

[Fabrux]

The hobby shop that I bought my FLC from had the AMT Peterbilt priced lower than the Italeri box. Although, they didn't have both on the shelf at the same time...

[Bennyg]

I’m flogging a dead horse, but I would rather see the 1/32 Mack SuperLiner and Ford LTL 9000 reissued. Great box art though. So much has to be done to make the italeri superliner accurate.

Ben

[Jim B]

1 hour ago, Bennyg said:

I’m flogging a dead horse, but I would rather see the 1/32 Mack SuperLiner and Ford LTL 9000 reissued. Great box art though. So much has to be done to make the italeri superliner accurate.

Ben

I'd like to see AMT bring back their 1/32 scale truck kits.  I've heard that they are really nice kits & well detailed.

[Mr mopar]

1 hour ago, Jim B said:

I'd like to see AMT bring back their 1/32 scale truck kits.  I've heard that they are really nice kits & well detailed.

James there ok the tires and wheels are not the best !

[Bennyg]

10 hours ago, Mr mopar said:

James there ok the tires and wheels are not the best !

I replace the wheels and tyres with Auslowe 1/32 wheels. I’m also looking at aoshima wheels. 
 

Ben

[Luc Janssens]

On 10/22/2020 at 8:16 PM, PierreR89 said:

So no one is going to say anything about the single wiper just thrown on the windsheild of the Ford?
Is it just me or does something look odd about the exhaust stacks on it to?
Like they are way to thin?
I am still going to get one because i think they look good.

I dont think Italeri/Revell or Heller had a licence to use the mack name when it was made.

Italeri at one point called it "US  power truck" then it became the American Superliner.
Heller called it "US heavy truck"
Revell never called it a superliner, they called it "rainbow truck" because of what decals they choos to include and "Sinalco" as the Sinalco showtruck

But i would think that AMT Round 2 would have the licence from Mack because their line of Mack trucks have all Mack logos so they could add them in the superliner kit if they wanted to but only if it is under the AMT brand?
And so could Revell because they use the Mack name on their snaptite kits.
Or am i wrong?

I kinda wonder if these re-boxed Italeri kits are some sort of market testing by the folks of Round-2, to see if later models of trucks sell, in what numbers and if the MSRP and non 1/25th scale, is accepted by the end-user, be it the die hard or weekend model-builder.

As I'm sure that everyone here is well aware of the investment costs in this type of kit, one needs deep pockets, so wonder if a partnership with Italeri for co-developing an all new North American truck is in the stars, and if so what scale it would be in?

Edited October 24, 2020 by Luc Janssens

[Dave Van]

On 10/7/2020 at 10:06 AM, Vettegasser said:

Yea b gettin a turbine. Oh yea 

Was that the one in the GMC COE kit years ago?

[PierreR89]

4 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

I kinda wonder if these re-boxed Italeri kits are some sort of market testing by the folks of Round-2, to see if later models of trucks sell, in what numbers and if the MSRP and non 1/25th scale, is accepted by the end-user, be it the die hard or weekend model-builder.

As I'm sure that everyone here is well aware of the investment costs in this type of kit, one needs deep pockets, so wonder if a partnership with Italeri for co-developing an all new North American truck is in the stars, and if so what scale it would be in?

Could be, i know that i am not that bothered with the size difference between 1/24 or 1/25 scale that others might be.
If it end up with them teaming up more then just sharing moulds and make something new more modern that would be great.
A modern (2010 and up) Peterbilt/Kenworth/Mack i would buy as soon as i knew it was avaliable.

I think the main reason why they do this is because they could be trying to get more to buy AMT truck kits.
Everyone knows that AMT,s truck kits have bad fitting parts, basically useless instructions and no part numbers so you have to compare the part to the one in the manual and after wear on the mould it looks nowhere close to what i was supposed to.
I think there are alot of kids/adults that bought a AMT kit because they wanted to build it and just gave up when they got stuck at some step.
So it might be that that they are trying to clear up with using Italeri kits under AMT name

Italeri's kit have good fitting parts, clear instructions of how to put it togheter and partnumbers that match the instructions + parts that looks lite the instruction shows them.
Only hard part is the mulipiece cab and sleeper.

If they would do something completley new and use AMT's one piece cab and correct engine and chassi (as amt does on most) + italeri's manuals and have the correct numbers on the sprues that match the manual.
They should also let Italeri design the mirrors to avoid a completley new AMT horrorstory with way to many parts..
That would be a great kit for those that have never built a truck kit before.

As far as i know there is only Revell that offers a kit like that and it is their old Kenworth W900/T900 Australia but the mirrors on that thing is hopeless to assemble and get to look right.
They are worse on the T900 Australia where the braces hits the raised airintake pipe for the aircleaners..

[Force]

You have to take in consideration that the main part of the AMT truck kits was first issued in the late 60's to mid 70's and the Italeri US truck kits are from the mid 80's and 90's so they are a couple of decades appart.
The thing that bothers me most with the Italeri kits is the lack of accuracy and all the shortcuts taken during the development of the kits, the cabs looks good but the chassis, engine and drive trains are not allways correct as they basically did only two engine types and two chassis for all their US truck kits (Except for the Volvo VN), one chassis and a Detroit Diesel Series 60 engine for the Peterbilt kits wich is allright, and one chassis and Cummins NTC engine for all others wich originally came in the Freightliner kits wich it is right for, but not correct for any of the other makes.

[Luc Janssens]

27 minutes ago, Force said:

You have to take in consideration that the main part of the AMT truck kits was first issued in the late 60's to mid 70's and the Italeri US truck kits are from the mid 80's and 90's so they are a couple of decades appart.
The thing that bothers me most with the Italeri kits is the lack of accuracy and all the shortcuts taken during the development of the kits, the cabs looks good but the chassis, engine and drive trains are not allways correct as they basically did only two engine types and two chassis for all their US truck kits (Except for the Volvo VN), one chassis and a Detroit Diesel Series 60 engine for the Peterbilt kits wich is allright, and one chassis and Cummins NTC engine for all others wich originally came in the Freightliner kits wich it is right for, but not correct for any of the other makes.

A co-development of all new kit truck kits could address much of these issues as they will be designed according to specs set by both parties so that they will do well on both the European as well as the north American market.

The only hurdle I see, is the scale thingy, dunno if the American market would accept the 1/24th scale and vice versa.

 

[GeeBee]

On 10/22/2020 at 5:41 PM, Rob Hall said:

Interesting how these Italeri tools have also been reboxed by Revell in the past.  I guess they don't have the license for the Mack name so the Superliner is generic.

Mack wouldn't give Italeri the licence because they used their generic chassis and not a Mack chassis with their suspension, if it's going to be a rebox, it won't be labelled as a Mack.

[Luc Janssens]

On 10/22/2020 at 6:41 PM, Rob Hall said:

Interesting how these Italeri tools have also been reboxed by Revell in the past.  I guess they don't have the license for the Mack name so the Superliner is generic.

Revell Germany has a history of buying bagged shots and selling them in their own wrapper, they did the same with the Moebius trucks but not the trailers cuz IIRC they didn't have a box suitable for these.

IIRC before all the re-boxing, Klaus Lassen of Lassen Projects did a lot work for Revell Germany designing truck and trailer kits, some all new...other based on Revell Venice designs

Edited October 24, 2020 by Luc Janssens

[Force]

12 hours ago, GeeBee said:

Mack wouldn't give Italeri the licence because they used their generic chassis and not a Mack chassis with their suspension, if it's going to be a rebox, it won't be labelled as a Mack.

Well I don't know if you can call the Italeri chassis "genenric", it's a Freightliner chassis with the FAS Airliner (Western Unit Stabilaire) rear suspension from the Freighliner FLC kit, the FLD kit uses the same chassis with updated FAS Airliner II suspension added but the older FAS Airliner is also in there.
Most of the other makes (except for the Volvo VN) use the unaltered FLC chassis wich is quite wrong for them, all of them has the Cummins NTC and some got a few insignificant updates to the induction system to more look like N14's with air to air intercooler instead of water to air aftercooler, but the main part of the engine is still the same NTC.
The other chassis Italeri used for US truck kits is for their Peterbilt 378 and 377 A/E with Air Leaf suspension and it's right for them and was not used for any of the other US truck kits.

Edited October 25, 2020 by Force

[GeeBee]

1 hour ago, Force said:

Well I don't know if you can call the Italeri chassis "genenric", it's a Freightliner chassis with the FAS Airliner (Western Unit Stabilaire) rear suspension from the Freighliner FLC kit, the FLD kit uses the same chassis with updated FAS Airliner II suspension added but the older FAS Airliner is also in there.
Most of the other makes (except for the Volvo VN) use the unaltered FLC chassis wich is quite wrong for them, all of them has the Cummins NTC and some got a few insignificant updates to the induction system to more look like N14's with air to air intercooler instead of water to air aftercooler, but the main part of the engine is still the same NTC.
The other chassis Italeri used for US truck kits is for their Peterbilt 378 and 377 A/E with Air Leaf suspension and it's right for them and was not used for any of the other US truck kits.

At the time the Superliner was released, Italeri only used the Freightliner chassis on all their U.S trucks,  the other models you mentioned hadn't even been thought of at the time.

[Mr mopar]

I personally Love these 1/24th  scale trucks, the bigger the better and there is a ton of aftermarket parts for them , you just have to look and do a little work to make it right. So I say bring them on Round 2 Let's see the  Ford Aeromax 120 &  Western Star Constellation big sleeper !  

[Tom Geiger]

I believe that the trucks are coming back because it’s a hot market right now. And these will help fuel that!

Editing to add this Tim Boyd comment from another thread:  “Also, various industry sources tell me this has been a blockbuster year for model car and (especially) model truck kit sales....”

 

As far as Mack, I don’t understand how AMT and others can sell the model, which is a close image of the truck, without licensing. I can imagine if you went to sell an unbadged Ford Mustang, Ford would be all over it.  The image is as proprietary as the name 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Tom Geiger

[Rob Hall]

23 minutes ago, Tom Geiger said:

 As far as Mack, I don’t understand how AMT and others can sell the model, which is a close image of the truck, without licensing. I can imagine if you went to sell an unbadged Ford Mustang, Ford would be all over it.  The image is as proprietary as the name 

It's such a generic front end design, though...nothing about it is distinctive, unlike the older R series.

[Luc Janssens]

8 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

It's such a generic front end design, though...nothing about it is distinctive, unlike the older R series.

and maybe...the measurements are way off model vs OEM due to massaging it to that non Mack chassis, dunno....

Edited October 25, 2020 by Luc Janssens

[Force]

8 hours ago, GeeBee said:

At the time the Superliner was released, Italeri only used the Freightliner chassis on all their U.S trucks,  the other models you mentioned hadn't even been thought of at the time.

Yes the Freightliner FLC was first of the US truck kits from Italeri in 1986 followed by the Western Star 1989, the Superliner 1991, the Ford LTL 9000 1993 and the Aeromax 120 1994, the Freightliner FLD 1995, and it's not a big surprise the following kits after the Freightliner was based on that tool if you know how Italeri works with the shortcuts they usually takes with their kits.
The Peterbilt 377 A/E came 1996 and the 378 1997, these are not based on the Freightliner tool as they got a Peterbilt chassis and a Detroit Diesel Series 60 engine.

Edited October 25, 2020 by Force

[vincen47]

4 hours ago, Force said:

Yes the Freightliner FLC was first of the US truck kits from Italeri in 1986 followed by the Western Star 1989, the Superliner 1991, the Ford LTL 9000 1993 and the Aeromax 120 1994, the Freightliner FLD 1995, and it's not a big surprise the following kits after the Freightliner was based on that tool if you know how Italeri works with the shortcuts they usually takes with their kits.
The Peterbilt 377 A/E came 1996 and the 378 1997, these are not based on the Freightliner tool as they got a Peterbilt chassis and a Detroit Diesel Series 60 engine.

Wow, almost one new (at least cab) kit per year in the 90’s. Good info. I think the WS Constellation followed in ‘98 or so, too.

Even with some having duplicate chassis/engines (something that can be corrected, for the most part, if the builder finds it necessary) - I wish they hadn’t stopped that yearly trend of new North American trucks. Granted, I’m sure some would have huge issues like the Superliner, but others may have been home runs, especially if they tooled up another engine and chassis like they did with the Peterbilts. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by vincen47

[Motor City]

Has the Fruehauf Sunoco tanker trailer ever been reissued?  My Dad bought it for some reason and never built it.  Even the box art looks neat.  These truck kits saved AMT for a while.