blunc Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Sorry to hear about your recent trials, Harry. The infection thing must really be bothersome. Hope it's finally in the past. Antibiotic-resistant infections are becoming a serious problem due to the over and misguided use of antibiotics, in everything from food animals to hand soap. Read some of the literature on the subject written by informed medicos.The "cloud" concept has had me uncomfortable since its inception. I don't like giving up so much control over my data and programs to an 'elsewhere' host. I know it's supposed to be the latest, greatest, hip, hot, happening thing and I'm surely once again seen as a fossilized Luddite for feeling the way I do, but your recent experience is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking would be prevalent.based on my own experience, it seems if you get photoshop versions newer than 4 or 5 that you get mired in the photoshop cloud tar pit... that is one of the reasons I haven't tried to set that up for my wife who uses InDesign for newsletter creation.Anyone that has a business need for photoshop and can get their company to pay for it is lucky, me...I will stick with paintshop pro at a tenth of the cost of photoshop.
slusher Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Sorry to hear you have been sick Harry. Bill keep windows 7 i have windows 8 not that great...
disabled modeler Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Man that is rough Harry...hope your well soon.
Harry P. Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 The "cloud" concept has had me uncomfortable since its inception. I don't like giving up so much control over my data and programs to an 'elsewhere' host. I know it's supposed to be the latest, greatest, hip, hot, happening thing and I'm surely once again seen as a fossilized Luddite for feeling the way I do, but your recent experience is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking would be prevalent.The way I thought it worked was that by paying a set yearly fee up front, you can get any Adobe software upgrades via your cloud membership as opposed to buying any updates a la carte. Seemed like it would be simpler and more convenient just to pay the fee up front and upload any and all updates as they became available.The part I didn't realize is that once you upgrade any software via your cloud membership, even if only once, you have basically given ownership of your software back to Adobe, and if you don't keep on buying the yearly cloud membership, they literally shut down all your Adobe software! You are trapped into this cloud scam forever!I thought that if I ever wanted to quit the cloud membership, I would simply keep my software at whatever update level existed at the time my subscription lapsed, and any further updates would need to be bought individually, as any non-cloud member does. After all, I had bought and paid for the software in the first place, then paid for any updates I may have downloaded through my cloud membership fee. So if I, at any time, wanted to quit the cloud membership, I should be able to keep my software at whatever level it currently exists.But in reality this cloud thing is a scam. A brilliant scam. You quit the cloud, your software goes away.
Roadrunner Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Real interesting information re: the cloud conundrum, Harry, and I'd never heard of it before. For whatever it's worth, in the past I've always purchased the actual installation CD, that way if ever anything were to go seriously wrong, I could just reinstall at my convenience.I've probably fallen behind the times somewhat, and perhaps it doesn't work as easy these days, but for anyone to disable software that I paid full price for, is most certainly not acceptable, so I'll be on the watch for such traps from now on.
jbwelda Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 imo this whole "cloud" thing has disaster written all over it. setting aside the "features" that harry has been confronted with, is there anyone here who trusts some anonymous third party to keep their data "safe" (there is no such thing) and guarantee its availability into perpetuity? because I sure wouldn't...history shows these kind of schemes go out of business with some regularity and then, I am thinking, POOF goes your data so you better have it backed up, but wait, that's what the "cloud" was supposed to be about.and not to get too far afield from the subject but online banking? come on...one day soon we will all see the folly of that particular enterprise when someone hacks into a major bank and either steals everyones money or even better, scrambles all the data in such a way it isn't apparent for a week or so. then there will be backups, sure, but from a week earlier. anyone have any idea how many transactions a major bank makes in a week? and this consumer savings stuff is just spare change to keep things rolling, I am talking about MAJOR transactions of which there will be no backups and in world financial markets, its timing more than anything that counts. what that means: major consumer loss of confidence in banking, major run on the banks, major bank collapses.just wait, it is coming if its not already happened and managed to be hushed up. I would bet within the next year.what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods.jb
mikemodeler Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 imo this whole "cloud" thing has disaster written all over it. setting aside the "features" that harry has been confronted with, is there anyone here who trusts some anonymous third party to keep their data "safe" (there is no such thing) and guarantee its availability into perpetuity? because I sure wouldn't...history shows these kind of schemes go out of business with some regularity and then, I am thinking, POOF goes your data so you better have it backed up, but wait, that's what the "cloud" was supposed to be about. and not to get too far afield from the subject but online banking? come on...one day soon we will all see the folly of that particular enterprise when someone hacks into a major bank and either steals everyones money or even better, scrambles all the data in such a way it isn't apparent for a week or so. then there will be backups, sure, but from a week earlier. anyone have any idea how many transactions a major bank makes in a week? and this consumer savings stuff is just spare change to keep things rolling, I am talking about MAJOR transactions of which there will be no backups and in world financial markets, its timing more than anything that counts. what that means: major consumer loss of confidence in banking, major run on the banks, major bank collapses. just wait, it is coming if its not already happened and managed to be hushed up. I would bet within the next year. what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods. jb Don't worry, I am sure the government has all of our information already on a secure server with a back up cloud!
Harry P. Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods.jbYep.But the good news is my Adobe software (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) is working again... which means my ransom payment has been processed and I'm good to go for another year.But man oh man, what a scam this "cloud" thing has turned out to be. I was truly taken for a fool by Adobe. If I had any idea that this is how the cloud service works, I would never have signed up.
Chuck Most Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
blunc Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods.jbYep.But the good news is my Adobe software (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) is working again... which means my ransom payment has been processed and I'm good to go for another year.But man oh man, what a scam this "cloud" thing has turned out to be. I was truly taken for a fool by Adobe. If I had any idea that this is how the cloud service works, I would never have signed up.I know this will be a can of worms and I don't work for any software company...but...The software company sold you a license to "legally" use their software for a specified amount of time (when you "bought into the cloud").In previous years a software license could be purchased without annual fees for support or updates, that is no longer true due to the cost of software updates but in the past we didn't have as many hackers as we seem to have now that can exploit any little software loophole.I'm not defending software companies, just trying to shine some light on a misconception.You do not own any software that you think you have just purchased, you have paid for the right to use it per the EULA (End User Licensing Agreement).
Twokidsnosleep Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.Hey, that would make a great movie.... Thanks for the cloud scam heads up. Will keep my eyes open for that BS in the future
chunkypeanutbutter Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.Poly-mimetic alloy?
Harry P. Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods.jbYep.But the good news is my Adobe software (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) is working again... which means my ransom payment has been processed and I'm good to go for another year.But man oh man, what a scam this "cloud" thing has turned out to be. I was truly taken for a fool by Adobe. If I had any idea that this is how the cloud service works, I would never have signed up.I know this will be a can of worms and I don't work for any software company...but...The software company sold you a license to "legally" use their software for a specified amount of time (when you "bought into the cloud").But I bought and paid for my Adobe software long before I joined the "cloud." If I buy a software program and install it on my computer, I should be able to access and use that software forever. I paid for it.But the way Adobe does it, when you join the "cloud" they take back ownership of the software, and if I don't pay up every year, they take the software I paid for away from me. And that is just plain wrong.
Mark Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Every time you click on an "I agree" box, you're accepting whatever new terms they see fit to offer. Same thing with your online banking and credit card agreements...you're incrementally giving up rights. And, they browbeat you into a new agreement every time you sign up for an update or a new service. With online banking, they'll shoot you a revised agreement every so often, and if you don't accept the new terms then your access is blocked.
Tom Geiger Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) My irk of the day? I made the mistake of looking at the Jeep website and now I have little Jeep ads following me everywhere I go on the Internet! And what irks me about it? They are all trying to sell leases.... Cherokee LTD 4x4 only $159 a month for 24 months. With a $4995 down payment. Um, isn't that a $367 a month lease, only you are paying more than half of it in cash up front? And now that they have a moron on the hook, they only give him 10,000 miles a year, so you know there's going to be a big fee for extra miles at the end! Stupid people fall for this stuff! Edited July 31, 2015 by Tom Geiger
blunc Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods.jbYep.But the good news is my Adobe software (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) is working again... which means my ransom payment has been processed and I'm good to go for another year.But man oh man, what a scam this "cloud" thing has turned out to be. I was truly taken for a fool by Adobe. If I had any idea that this is how the cloud service works, I would never have signed up.I know this will be a can of worms and I don't work for any software company...but...The software company sold you a license to "legally" use their software for a specified amount of time (when you "bought into the cloud").But I bought and paid for my Adobe software long before I joined the "cloud." If I buy a software program and install it on my computer, I should be able to access and use that software forever. I paid for it.But the way Adobe does it, when you join the "cloud" they take back ownership of the software, and if I don't pay up every year, they take the software I paid for away from me. And that is just plain wrong.they may not let you down grade the software either, you won't know till you try uninstalling and then trying to install the version you purchased.at that point you may be screwed.I can't really fault Adobe on this, they provide support and version updates...in order to keep generating revenue they have to go to annual fee structure.I choose not to support that type of structure by using other software that has most of the functionality at a sixth of the cost and it does what I need it to do.Antivirus software used to be a buy it and get support for life, a few years ago they went to annual fees per machine install, that is when I researched a less expensive option.
Danno Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Speaking of software nightmares, what is Shockwave? I'm pretty sure I've never sought, bought, or asked for Shockwave, yet I periodically get a message (when refreshing a website page) that 'Shockwave Flash has crashed' and asking me to click to reload it. I don't, but then I have to close and re-open the website in another browser tab.While I'm in techno-dummy mode, does anyone know what taskeng.exe is?
chunkypeanutbutter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I went out and wrestled with the seats in the 'Dub tonight. Driver's side seat slid out with no problem. However, the passenger one seems to be stuck on the outer rail. Another task for tomorrow.I also decided to total up all of the needed stuff.The floorpans aren't really bad, but there are a few quarter-sized holes in each, so replacing them isn't a bad idea. All of the body is completely solid. Now, what is needed...The whole interior kit (headliner, seat covers, door inserts, yadda yadda), dashboard, steering wheel, belts (racing harnesses and seats, possibly...), maybe wheels, definitely tires, an extractor exhaust if the one we had is MIA, smooth bumpers, disc brake conversion, trim and clips, all the seals, and possibly emblems.All in, after I totaled it up with the most expensive options (the two smoothie bumpers at $999.95 included) it comes to $4169.10, not including paint and detailing.Junkyards, here I come.
Harry P. Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 My year just keeps getting better. Just got a recall notice from Ford... defective airbag. Sigh... what a tangled dangerous web we wove when we started believing in computers and networks as gods. jb Yep. But the good news is my Adobe software (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) is working again... which means my ransom payment has been processed and I'm good to go for another year. But man oh man, what a scam this "cloud" thing has turned out to be. I was truly taken for a fool by Adobe. If I had any idea that this is how the cloud service works, I would never have signed up. I know this will be a can of worms and I don't work for any software company...but... The software company sold you a license to "legally" use their software for a specified amount of time (when you "bought into the cloud"). But I bought and paid for my Adobe software long before I joined the "cloud." If I buy a software program and install it on my computer, I should be able to access and use that software forever. I paid for it. But the way Adobe does it, when you join the "cloud" they take back ownership of the software, and if I don't pay up every year, they take the software I paid for away from me. And that is just plain wrong. they may not let you down grade the software either, you won't know till you try uninstalling and then trying to install the version you purchased. Yeah, that may be the only way out of this "cloud" trap.
slusher Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug. To much..T2 Judgement day..
blunc Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Speaking of software nightmares, what is Shockwave? I'm pretty sure I've never sought, bought, or asked for Shockwave, yet I periodically get a message (when refreshing a website page) that 'Shockwave Flash has crashed' and asking me to click to reload it. I don't, but then I have to close and re-open the website in another browser tab.While I'm in techno-dummy mode, does anyone know what taskeng.exe is? brief research indicates this may be caused by malware, the solution posted in the research was to run Malwarebytes anti-malware, there is a free version that is handy for cleaning and a premium version for proactive protection ( I had to install this version on my mothers computer).
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Speaking of software nightmares, what is Shockwave? I'm pretty sure I've never sought, bought, or asked for Shockwave, yet I periodically get a message (when refreshing a website page) that 'Shockwave Flash has crashed' and asking me to click to reload it. I don't, but then I have to close and re-open the website in another browser tab.While I'm in techno-dummy mode, does anyone know what taskeng.exe is? Shockwave is a ubiquitous player / viewer program that allows you to see what they call "rich" media content, which usually means annoying animated advertising running on a page you're looking at. Crashing is a common problem, and there are lotsa recommended fixes available online. Just Google "shockwave crashing".If you're running Chrome as your browser, it has its own internal version of Shockwave, and the two versions may be having a conflict, causing the one that's running to crash. You can uninstall the extra one, which is said to correct the problem in Chrome.Since I loaded ad-block plus on to my Chrome browser, I no longer get most of the idiot advertising, and have no more issues with the ol' flash crash.taskeng.exe is a legitimate task-scheduler sub-program in Windows7 and 8, but apparently there's a virus version running around too. Info here... http://www.file.net/process/taskeng.exe.html Edited July 31, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy
Danno Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Thanks, Bill. I appreciate your help. I cleaned up the Shockwave conflict and things are all better.I also added AdBlock and ~ wow! How refreshing is that!!Now I'm trying to eliminate KNCTR. What a pain that is to exterminate.Have my anti-virus software running overtime. {It must be the virus season.}
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