Luc Janssens Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Which existing kits would you buy again if certain newly tooled parts were added?(And yes I know very well, there's something like the resin aftermarket) - Amt '71 Charger. if Round2 tools up a new grille with hidden headlamps, rearbumper with the std. taillamps and Daisy spoke mag wheels on fat tires (optional sidepipes) -Monogram '69 Super Bee: New flat or power bulge hood,slight rake and 70s Keystone klassic wheels on fat tires Small note, it's better to list 2 or so and name the parts, that need to be added or reworked, then list a whole slew of possible all new projects, if you would look at them from a cost and tooling design perspective. A rule of tumb is that every cavity costs $1000 and every part except the body have at least two. So try to come up with something exiting new without breaking the bank. Thanks!! Edited November 10, 2014 by Luc Janssens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ1971 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'll play.... AMT- 77/78 Dodge Monaco... Full detail - engine/chassis interior/suspension etc... All correct police equipment & varied optional lightbars/ sirens... AMT - 1970 F'n'F Charger... Re-tooled everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBcritter Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Some new variations for old tools: AMT: '21 Oldsmobile (Beverly Hillbillies): Stock phaeton or roadster body and rear fenders. '27 Model T: Coupe body. Roadster body/turtledeck. '41 Plymouth: Sedan delivery. Woody. '32 Ford Victoria: B-400 body. '36 Ford: Two-door sedan. '50 Ford: '51 Victoria. '56 Ford: Country Squire. '65 Continental: Four-door sedan. '64 and '66 Mercury: Colony Park wagon. '60/'61 Ranchero: 6-cylinder stock engine and correct engine compartment; Falcon coupe and station wagon. '62 Catalina: Grand Prix. '55 Chevy: Sedan delivery or four-door wagon. '58 Impala: Biscayne 2-door sedan or Nomad wagon. Lindberg: '53 Ford: '54 Skyliner. Little Red Wagon: Van body. '34 Ford pickup: 1-ton flatbed chassis/wheels/tires. Revell: '56 Chrysler (1/32): Stock grille. '50 Olds: 2-door hardtop. Monogram: '34 Ford: All stock parts back in. Phaeton body. '36 Ford: All stock parts back in. Phaeton body. Moebius: '56 Chrysler 300: New Yorker. Edited November 10, 2014 by ChrisBcritter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 AMTs old 70s Chevy camper van(open road mini motor home version)...Id go broke buying them up. AMTs Daisy Dukes jeep with the(Universal Dune buggy and gas station option). AMTs 70 Ford Galaxie 4door tooled up to be the 70 LTD 4door HT. AMTs 61 Ford Galaxie curbside tooled up to be the wagon issue. many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If Revell came out with another version of their '49 Mercury custom kit, I wouldn't gripe if it came with a closer-to-stock-appearing body and/or if they put out a '51 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW93 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 RevellStock height roof '48 Ford coupe and sedan from their 48 Ford Custom & convertible kitsAMT'32 Ford coupe as originally issued with cycle fenders, cut away hood, Moon discs and decals.'40 Ford coupe and sedan as originally issued with original headers, moon discs, fender skirts and decals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randx0 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Revell 32 ford with stock parts not to build it stock but to build earlier hot rods Monogram 40 ford pickup with stock parts or original release parts any pickup with new 4x4 suspension and or off road wheels any kit that includes those fun little non automotive items like dirt bikes ,tools , figures , bicycles etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I agree with Christopher on the '49 thru '51 Ford Victoria or even tudoor sedan. The '58 Chevrolet in a Bel Air or basic coupe would be nice. The Lindberg '53 Ford could be expanded with out a great expense and maybe offer a '54 body style also. Frank brought up a very good idea that should be easy to do, stock '46 thru '48 Ford tudoor or tudoor sedan. I would buy any or all of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight55 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Amt/ertl 55 chevy sedan. With a 6 and back windows that actually fit the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartpix Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Revell: Update 65 Chevelle Z-16 with 64 SS body & small block. Same kit with 64 2 door wagon. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 OK, I'll play! Revell: '32 Ford B-400 '32 Ford Victoria '32 Ford Station Wagon '40 Ford Station Wagon (either Standard or Deluxe, doesn't matter!) '57 Ford Ranchero '57 Ford Courier Sedan Delivery AMT: '27 Model T Roadster '27 Model T Coupe Reissue '28 Model A Tudor Sedan '25 Model T Touring Reissue '67-'69 Cougar? Lindberg: '53 Ford Country Squire Anyone: '55-'56 Mercury Monterrey Hardtop (with Sun Valley option perhaps?) Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharoah Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Some new variations for old tools: AMT: '21 Oldsmobile (Beverly Hillbillies): Stock phaeton or roadster body and rear fenders. '27 Model T: Coupe body. Roadster body/turtledeck. '41 Plymouth: Sedan delivery. Woody. '32 Ford Victoria: B-400 body. '36 Ford: Two-door sedan. '50 Ford: '51 Victoria. '56 Ford: Country Squire. '65 Continental: Four-door sedan. '64 and '66 Mercury: Colony Park wagon. '60/'61 Ranchero: 6-cylinder stock engine and correct engine compartment; Falcon coupe and station wagon. '62 Catalina: Grand Prix. '55 Chevy: Sedan delivery or four-door wagon. '58 Impala: Biscayne 2-door sedan or Nomad wagon. Lindberg: '53 Ford: '54 Skyliner. Little Red Wagon: Van body. '34 Ford pickup: 1-ton flatbed chassis/wheels/tires. Revell: '56 Chrysler (1/32): Stock grille. '50 Olds: 2-door hardtop. Monogram: '34 Ford: All stock parts back in. Phaeton body. '36 Ford: All stock parts back in. Phaeton body. Moebius: '56 Chrysler 300: New Yorker. I'll second most of those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I have mentioned this before. I would love to see Round 2 modify their AMT Chevy Van back into the window version with Open Road camper package restored. I'd also like to see them convert back their MPC Dodge van into a early 70's Sportsman passenger van with the windows and seats. And same for their 1/20th scale Ford van. The regular Chateau passenger van. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Guys, try to tone it down a bit, better to list 2 or so and name the parts, that need to be added or reworked, then list a whole slew of possible all new projects, if you would look at them from a cost and tooling design perspective. A rule of tumb is that every cavity costs $1000 and every part except the body have at least two. So try to come up with something exiting new without breaking the bank. Thanks!! Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Guys, try to tone it down a bit, better to list 2 or so and name the parts, that need to be added or reworked, then list a whole slew of possible all new projects, if you would look at them from a cost and tooling design perspective. A rule of tumb is that every cavity costs $1000 and every part except the body have at least two. So try to come up with something exiting new without breaking the bank. Thanks!! Luc Luc, I think your "cost" per mold core/slide is quite low, frankly. Bear in mind, there are considerable development/research costs before the first flake of steel is removed from that raw block of tooling steel. In addition, certainly with body shell tooling, almost any change or modification to those will almost always affect other parts of the tooling as well. For example, to do a 4-door body in a kit that is originally a 2-door will necessarily involve new interior side panels (or interior "tub" if an older style kit), plus a different front seat. A trim level change in most car kits, even if it remains the same body style, will affect not only the mold slides for that body, but if the model is to be accurately done, it will require at least some new interior tooling, perhaps also changes to the chrome parts sprue. In addition, while many tooling bases have room someplace, for additional cavities to be tooled, but if not, then we're talking about another mold base--which also will raise production costs--as a separate tool simply will add to the mold-press time. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'll play. Revell Ferrari 458 Italia- Spyder version. All it would require is the retooled body and engine cover, and it would sell massively well. I can't believe they haven't done it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Goschke Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Easy. If I've said it once, I've said it 1,000 times... but let me put it this way; I'd happily buy a half dozen or more AMT '58 Plymouth Belvederes if Round2 would tool up a completely corrected body for the useless lump that's in the kit. A corrected engine wouldn't hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Luc, I think your "cost" per mold core/slide is quite low, frankly. Bear in mind, there are considerable development/research costs before the first flake of steel is removed from that raw block of tooling steel. In addition, certainly with body shell tooling, almost any change or modification to those will almost always affect other parts of the tooling as well. For example, to do a 4-door body in a kit that is originally a 2-door will necessarily involve new interior side panels (or interior "tub" if an older style kit), plus a different front seat. A trim level change in most car kits, even if it remains the same body style, will affect not only the mold slides for that body, but if the model is to be accurately done, it will require at least some new interior tooling, perhaps also changes to the chrome parts sprue. In addition, while many tooling bases have room someplace, for additional cavities to be tooled, but if not, then we're talking about another mold base--which also will raise production costs--as a separate tool simply will add to the mold-press time. Art A great man once said that when you divide the costs by the number of parts it levels out at $1000, per cavity I'm pretty sure you know him ;^) About the possibility of a redesigned part, affecting other parts, I'm very aware of that, in fact some time ago when I inspecting an all new kit which landed on my doorstep, I saw ghost lines on the body, apparently a left over from a modification in the test shot stage, in which the wheelbase was altered, which most likely was a costly re-tool while still in the development phase. About tooling bases, it's my understanding that the tooling of model kits designed today are a cluster of smaller tools, thus I don't see a significant problem. It's thinking like that, which removed the red clear tail lamps from so many Amt kits, while they could've been added to the clear parts tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1930fordpickup Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 78 Ford truck with a normal wheelbase and correct the front windshield, no more camper special . they could also add a short bed and correct frame for that also. Most of my other ideas have been put out there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm sorry, I really don't understand your limitations Luc. One of the ones I'd like to see is one Chris Bcritter suggested. A '51 Ford Victoria based off of AMT's '50 Ford. Another one, and I'm sure this one doesn't meet your criteria Luc, a stock version of MPC's '71 Mercury Cyclone. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDO Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Big Deuce with a '29 Ford roadster body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jantrix Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Revell '67 Charger with parts to make it a '66. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltas Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 a nice chevy car or truck from 1932 to 40'' a good 67 to 72 gm pick up a better 66 ford stang coupe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Revell '67 Charger with parts to make it a '66. With that I'd build a mutant. Full console '66 interior with the '67 turn signal fender blades. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm sorry, I really don't understand your limitations Luc. One of the ones I'd like to see is one Chris Bcritter suggested. A '51 Ford Victoria based off of AMT's '50 Ford. Another one, and I'm sure this one doesn't meet your criteria Luc, a stock version of MPC's '71 Mercury Cyclone. Scott Maybe I want more in dept investigation, it's a bit more involving and when done right, with input from everyone here in this" forum of knowledge" we may end up with very detailed and interesting possible tool variant, one everybody wanted but always forgot to ask for. Hope I'm making sense, if not, blame it on the language barrier LOL But when talking '71 Cyclone, what parts are we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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