Black Ghost sells for just under $1m at Mecum

[Mike 1017]

“Black Ghost” Challenges sells for nearly $1 million at auction (msn.com)

[BlackSheep214]

Wow... interest history behind the Black Ghost. Thanks for sharing & posting the link.

[Dave Van]

Good price for the ultra rare 'Challenges' Dodge......only ONE was made I think.

[Bainford]

Extremely well sold. Timing is everything. In twenty years that car will struggle to hammer for a quarter of that price.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Bainford

[Dave Van]

1 minute ago, Bainford said:

Extremely well sold. Timing is everything. In twenty years that car will struggle to hammer for a quarter of that price.

It's like Lionel Pre-War ( WWII) trains. Mint sets were selling for hundreds of thousand of dollars in the 1970's.....then when people that grew up with the trains passed the price collapsed and now most of the Pre=War is tough to give away. I fear the same will happen to our cars. 

[Carmak]

I have heard rumblings that the "Black Ghost" backstory is somewhere between very exaggerated to fake.

The rumblings come from people who have seen the car in person and are familiar with 70’s street racing. The issue is that the cars is very well optioned (heavy), it is very stock under the hood, it has stock springs, and it idles like it has a stock cam. There is no evidence that the mods needed for racing (street or otherwise) have ever been done.

The car could have been street raced in Detroit as a stock Hemi car but it would not have been “Legend” fast. The well-known Silver Bullet which was highly modified everywhere was “Legend” fast.

[milo1303s]

Strange that the custom RTS Cuda doubled it an then some and only a 440 crazy world !!!

[Daddyfink]

 

[BlackSheep214]

2 hours ago, Daddyfink said:

 

I had enough of his yammering on making his point so I stopped about almost halfway. 

He seems to try convince folks this Black Ghost is a scam and another so- call self proclaimed car expert. Let it go.  Maybe he got out bid at Mecum and needs to vent out negative comments. I don't know. YouTube tends to bring out these kinds of folks.

BTW... the car was sold for $975,000 or close to it, not $1 million he said.

 

 

 

 

[1972coronet]

31 minutes ago, BlackSheep214 said:

I had enough of his yammering on making his point so I stopped about almost halfway. 

He seems to try convince folks this Black Ghost is a scam and another so- call self proclaimed car expert. Let it go.  Maybe he got out bid at Mecum and needs to vent out negative comments. I don't know. YouTube tends to bring out these kinds of folks.

BTW... the car was sold for $975,000 or close to it, not $1 million he said.

 

 

 

 

Tony DeFeo is a well-seasoned MoPar expert. He's not talking out of 'is arse. He even stated (to paraphrase) : "Do your own research into [the story behind the Black Ghost]. Don't take me at my word."

[Daddyfink]

1 hour ago, BlackSheep214 said:

I had enough of his yammering on making his point so I stopped about almost halfway. 

He seems to try convince folks this Black Ghost is a scam and another so- call self proclaimed car expert. Let it go.  Maybe he got out bid at Mecum and needs to vent out negative comments. I don't know. YouTube tends to bring out these kinds of folks.

BTW... the car was sold for $975,000 or close to it, not $1 million he said.

 

 

 

 

Well, it is actually $1,072,500 after fees

And yeah, Tony DeFeo is the real deal, he founded High Performance Mopar magazine and Mopar Action. Maybe you should watch the whole thing before making such comments or Assumptions.

 

[NOBLNG]

I’d go and see the movie, even if it’s not based on a “true” story.?

[sfhess]

I got tired of the whole deal a few minutes into the motor trend plus etc etc mecum "Special" program about the car.  Ho Hum.

Edited May 24, 2023 by sfhess

[Mark]

Building a back story can inflate the selling price, this tactic is often employed during the buildup to the car hitting the auction block.  The Tucker "convertible" that was created after the fact, the "Tobacco King" '64 Galaxie that got built but never did anything, and this Challenger (how many of us ever heard of it before now?) are three such examples.

[Mike 1017]

I saw the car at this past World of Wheels in Chicago and talked to Greg about the car. That dark green "Alligator Skin" Vinyl roof is most defiantly a one of one. I had a black one my 1969 T-Bird.

As far as this video goes I guess because HE never heard of it. It must not be true.

Mike

 

[Daddyfink]

35 minutes ago, Mike 1017 said:

I saw the car at this past World of Wheels in Chicago and talked to Greg about the car. That dark green "Alligator Skin" Vinyl roof is most defiantly a one of one. I had a black one my 1969 T-Bird.

As far as this video goes I guess because HE never heard of it. It must not be true.

Mike

 

Prior to all this, had you ever heard of it? I have heard of The Silver Bullet and The Gap & Roush Sudden Death cars, but never of a Black Ghost. Even in periodicals of the day, there was never a mention of it, and its a Legend? 

[Ace-Garageguy]

Nice car, but not my dog.

I wouldn't pay that much for a Dodge even if there was documented "proof" Elvis had partied with aliens in Vegas in it, with Marilyn Monroe strapped to the hood for an ornament, and did regular 10-second quarter-mile passes on the Strip while JFK waved from the passenger seat.

Not that I have a million lying around in loose change anyway...  

Edited May 25, 2023 by Ace-Garageguy
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[Daddyfink]

5 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Not my dog.

I wouldn't pay that much for a Dodge even if there was documented "proof" Elvis had partied with aliens in Vegas in it, with Marilyn Monroe strapped to the hood for an ornament, and did regular 10-second quarter-mile passes on the Strip while JFK waved from the passenger seat.

Not that I have a million lying around in loose change anyway...  

Oh, stop being so modest 

[Scott8950]

22 hours ago, BlackSheep214 said:

I had enough of his yammering on making his point so I stopped about almost halfway. 

He seems to try convince folks this Black Ghost is a scam and another so- call self proclaimed car expert. Let it go.  Maybe he got out bid at Mecum and needs to vent out negative comments. I don't know. YouTube tends to bring out these kinds of folks.

BTW... the car was sold for $975,000 or close to it, not $1 million he said.

 

 

 

 

He does tend to get annoying but makes a very valid point,  on it's best day its a low 14 high 13 second car throw on slicks and mid 13s highly doubtful it was one of the faster cars out there. The Silver bullet was a legend and the Gapp and Roush built mustang sudden death was also legendary on woodward ave.

Here is the Silver Bullet GTX

https://www.dragzine.com/features/car-features/muscle-cars-you-should-know-67-hemi-plymouth-gtx-silver-bullet/

 

Sudden Death mustang built by Gapp and Roush 

https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/newsroom/2018/02/_sudden-death_-big-block-mustang-ii-.html

 

These were the type cars that ruled Woodward ave. no way that challenger would run with these cars.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Scott8950

[Ace-Garageguy]

On 5/23/2023 at 2:57 PM, Carmak said:

...The well-known Silver Bullet which was highly modified everywhere was “Legend” fast.

Yup. Mid to low 9s like Sudden Death is "legend" fast.

No way an optioned-out stock Challenger, even a Hemi car, is going to touch that.

And maybe the Ghost was indeed a street racer, but it certainly wouldn't have been among the fastest.

 

[Maindrian Pace]

I do believe that the owner went out and whupped up on other cars beating them handily - 383 Roadrunners, 396/325 Chevelles, 390 Fairlanes, and the like. He knew what to avoid.

[Mike 1017]

20 hours ago, Daddyfink said:

Prior to all this, had you ever heard of it? I have heard of The Silver Bullet and The Gap & Roush Sudden Death cars, but never of a Black Ghost. Even in periodicals of the day, there was never a mention of it, and its a Legend? 

No, I lived in Chicago. The only people who could verify this car would be one of the original Ram Chargers?

[Scott8950]

9 hours ago, Maindrian Pace said:

I do believe that the owner went out and whupped up on other cars beating them handily - 383 Roadrunners, 396/325 Chevelles, 390 Fairlanes, and the like. He knew what to avoid.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. 

[catpack68]

Apparently Dodge is making 300 2023 “Black Ghost” Hellcat Challengers.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41318672/2023-dodge-challenger-black-ghost-last-call-details/#sidepanel

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by catpack68

[Daddyfink]

2 hours ago, Mike 1017 said:

No, I lived in Chicago. The only people who could verify this car would be one of the original Ram Chargers?

I highly doubt it, they mostly stuck to the really special stuff, not a pretty much bone stock Challenger. One must remember that while that car is super special and rare now, it was just another well optioned Challenger back then. 

It is a cool car, there is no doubt, and I am sure most of the story is true, but it is not that special, at least to me. And trust me, I read about this car in Hagerty's monthly mag and it was a cool read, but after seeing this vid and reading other stuff, the coolness wore off a bit. 

Good for him for getting so much money for it, but he should be a bit more honest and realistic about the story.