Joe Handley

Very true!

Exactly, sugar cane ethanol's biggest drawback is that if you make alcohol from it, you have only alcohol, where with corn, you still have feed for livestock that is supposed to be of a higher nutritional value that just feeding them that corn straight from the field. You then also get corn oil and other byproducts from it as well. Oil does have a big advantage in distribution, and I have heard stories of them doing a variety of things to keep it that way, right down to threatening station owners who carry their product and biofuel in various ways, label such biofuels at their stations as not being "their" products, even though the gas and diesel may not be either, there is even a theory that prohibition was more to get rid of biofuel competition to then Sen. Rockafeller's Standard Oil and other oil companies.

Keep in mind, the process to find and refine oil into the products we use every day isn't exactly clean either There are other sources besides corn or just other food sources that can be used to produce the stuff. Just in the Chicago area, we had big invasion of Asian Longhorn/Ash Borer Beetles that forced the cutting down and destruction of a huge number of trees in Northern Illinois. They could have made quite a bit of fuel out of the trees that were cut down, not to mention the ones that have been lost in both winter and summer storms just in the few years I've been running the stuff in my 200. When you start looking at grass that is cut along the roadways, residental yard waste, waste papers, other garbage that would typically sit in a landfill. It wouldn't fully replace oil, but would ease the demand on oil reserves.............and cut into profits of certain big industries that don't like to share or play fair.

Don't know if that would have been much better

Or a fullsized van, GM sells them with AWD.

That's the one, what ever happened with it? Here was supposed to be a facility built somewhere in the South, but a Congressman or Senator got in it's way for "eviromental" reasonas.

Food loss isn't huge, IIRC, about 2/3 of the corn used goes into animal feed and in a box of Corn Flakes, it's typically around $.10-$.25 difference per box........vs what other energy sources used to creage and distribute the stuff adds to the price, executive pay probably affects that price more than actual base food ptices. In reality, just about any cellulose can be used to make it, basically any plant based sugars are converted to alcohol and cooking fuels can range from natural gas, to combustable plant materials, I even read somewhere that manure is being looked at as a fuel to do the needed cooking. Don't know if anything ever came of it, but weren't there groups experimenting with using alge to create either ethanol or biodiesel?

And THAT was pretty awesome!

From what I understand, Ford and William Durant of GM were both ethanol proponents, Ford enough so thst the Model T was the first mass produced flex fuel vehicle as well as set up classes to teach their owners how to make their own hemp based ethanol to fuel their new Model T's with.

I kinda figured it was more along the lines of What Brian said, been nice if they could make oils from more natural sources, but since one of them is Hemp, and is on the same list of no grow plants as Marijuana.........that won't happen until things changes.

Apparently one day Mom opened one of the kitchen cabinets at a house she and Dad had at the time only to find a dirty carb sitting in it with the dishes...........lets just say my Sister and I are probably pretty lucky Dad lived long enough to father us!

Not completely oil free, but my 200 is one of approximately 18 million registered in the US and the industry is working to increase the amount of renewable energy sources used in place of any "fossil" based energy sources to produce Ethanol.

What once was old is new again

Nah, they probably have an Executive Security Stig on the job.

Same here, either it needed a taller grill, or a channeled body to pull that off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_QXE9kbU

These are typically drag motors, intended to cover a quarter mile from a standing start as quick as inhumanly possible. Efficency in the form of gas mileage and handling in any sense other than going as straight was possble when the light go green is of little importance in those cases.

Nevermind, I think that's a Jag, still sad though.

Horizon Hobby has started doing that (one of our customers is even one of them!), and even though I've used it a couple times when I couldn't find the info needed, that chat window is a bit of a nussance.

Some of the areas I run my crawler trucks are in either picinic areas and or fishing areas and I find that all the freaking time! The most disgusting part of it is that there is usually a garbage can or two that they may walk right past going back to their vehicle (or they could just take it home!) But leave the stuff blowing around. Then don't get me started on guys out fishing, I've found sandwich wrappers, empty bait containers (usually differently purposed butter tubs) , hooks laying around.......oh, and fishing line, freaking fishing line, sometimes with rusty hooks just waiting to poke me as I try to untangle and or cut the freaking fishing line from around the axle or axles on the above mentioned trucks.........if any of you local guys are in a park and see a fat, bearded guy with glasses bent over a largeish toy truck attacking something on it with a box cutter or X-Acto knife mumbling not so nice things about those fishermen.......it's just me!

Yeah, that would SUCK!

Passed this monster on the the way to fill my 200 after work. http://nebula.wsimg.com/6360e8a7a48556b0d4675c697378c360?AccessKeyId=36DBE1E33E4F4470E95B&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

Honestly, that's the only one I can stand and is about the only "reality" show I'll willingly watch.

Sorry to hear his mom passed, their Moms were pretty entertaining to watch when they were on the show!