Just bought Moebius 65 Satellite

[Nova-ss]

hi all,As said. I uust bought a 65 Satellite. was going through the parts,noticed that the rearend looks small and has no top the the rear axle center like alot of monogram reatends are.how to fix the problem and does anyone else think so...thanks....Chris 

[sfhess]

Well you're not going to see it once the car is built.....

[ZTony8]

Time to break out the sprue and putty if you think the surfaces may be visible.

[Dave Van]

As stated....never seen when built. It has to be done this way when all the parts are molded together like this. SUPER simple fix is putty or strip plastic and glue.  Should be within any modelers skill level. 

[StevenGuthmiller]

I wouldn't mess with it personally.

You'd have to be getting up under there with a dental mirror to ever see it when it's finished.

 

Steve

[Snake45]

The small size is a bigger problem than the "hollows."

DO NOT fill the hollows with "putty." It would eventually destroy the whole rear end. If you feel you just MUST fill it for some reason, use a 2-part epoxy.

[gtx6970]

I don't really see that it is all that small. The engine is not a Hemi, so a 7 3/4 is probably about right.

Yes, its undersized .

A Mopar 7.25 rear axle has a removable  rear cover ( similar to a Dana ) 

Only the 8.75 has the solid hsg as shown

[Harry P.]

Why worry about fixing stuff that will never be seen on the finished model?

[Tom Geiger]

Why worry about fixing stuff that will never be seen on the finished model?

Because they wouldn't have anything to gripe about otherwise?   

[Harry P.]

Why worry about fixing stuff that will never be seen on the finished model?

Because they wouldn't have anything to gripe about otherwise?   

I guess...

Instead of worrying about the hollow topside of the rear end, how about concentrating on the fact that a model manufacturer has come out with a brand new model of a '65 Satellite? How cool is that?

Major props to Moebius for once again showing the others how it's done...

[Casey]

You'd have to be getting up under there with a dental mirror to ever see it when it's finished

I bet you could see, or at least notice, it when viewed at the proper angle. I doubt most people would notice, but it's still nice to aim higher than lower.

More concerning to me is the fact that five or seven parts are molded as one, instead of separately, like most companies have done in the past 30+ years. AMT stepped up with separate shock brackets on their '71 Charger R/T kits, so Moebius choosing to revert this far back is a bit disappointing. It sure doesn't make for a better looking model when the builder needs to scribe in separation lines or use paint(!) to delineate between the various parts which make up that entire sub-assembly.

At least they didn't mold the exhaust system to these parts, too. 

Edited August 6, 2015 by Casey

[Harry P.]

Agree that the "all one piece" rear end seems like a step backward as far as model kit engineering goes. But regardless of why they did it that way (cost?)... look at the big picture: Brand spankin' new '65 Satellite!

The one piece rear end is nothing a little paint detailing can't fix.

[High octane]

You know how it goes Harry, people complain that they want this kit made or that kit made, and then when they get the kit, more complaints 'bout anything and everything. Nothing ever changes.

[stavanzer]

Well, the Top of the axle is a small hit, but really not worth talking about.

My beef is the flimsy looking Split axle ends. Exactly how long will those last?

Much as I like the car, in a few years, there are going to be a large number of three wheeled and two wheeled Satellites.

And I see no real way to repair or strengthen the mounting pins for the wheels.

Even just gluing them solid, still leaves what appears to be a very fragile joint.

So when they do break, well, that's it.

Put fork in it.

I'm not too keen on the One Piece Axle,Driveshaft and Springs bit, either, but it's no worse than what AMT was doing 50 years ago, and MPC into the 1970's.

Nice to see that Moebius chose this place to take a shortcut, rather than someplace really visible.

How much time do we spend looking at the undersides of a finished kit anyhow?

Even at a show, it is a Death Penalty offense to pick up somebody else's model and  turn it over to peer at the bottom.

So, On a scale of Nits-to-Pick, this axle thing rates a 2(at best) and the wheel mounts rate a 3.5. IMHO.

 

Alan

[Daddyfink]

Never going to build a stock version of this, so the rear end will most likely get tossed

[Dave Van]

Well, the Top of the axle is a small hit, but really not worth talking about.

My beef is the flimsy looking Split axle ends. Exactly how long will those last?

Much as I like the car, in a few years, there are going to be a large number of three wheeled and two wheeled Satellites.

And I see no real way to repair or strengthen the mounting pins for the wheels.

Even just gluing them solid, still leaves what appears to be a very fragile joint.

So when they do break, well, that's it.

Put fork in it.

I'm not too keen on the One Piece Axle,Driveshaft and Springs bit, either, but it's no worse than what AMT was doing 50 years ago, and MPC into the 1970's.

Nice to see that Moebius chose this place to take a shortcut, rather than someplace really visible.

How much time do we spend looking at the undersides of a finished kit anyhow?

Even at a show, it is a Death Penalty offense to pick up somebody else's model and  turn it over to peer at the bottom.

So, On a scale of Nits-to-Pick, this axle thing rates a 2(at best) and the wheel mounts rate a 3.5. IMHO.

 

Alan

If you feel it will become an issue someday....I'd attach the wheels with a drop of epoxy that will weld the entire assembly into one unit. 

I don't see it as an issue....but I ain't built a production kit yet. 

There is a reason for the rear axle molded as a unit......someday we'll know I am sure.....

Thanks!

[Jon Cole]

Well, the Top of the axle is a small hit, but really not worth talking about.

My beef is the flimsy looking Split axle ends. Exactly how long will those last?

Much as I like the car, in a few years, there are going to be a large number of three wheeled and two wheeled Satellites.

And I see no real way to repair or strengthen the mounting pins for the wheels.

Even just gluing them solid, still leaves what appears to be a very fragile joint.

So when they do break, well, that's it.

Put fork in it.

I'm not too keen on the One Piece Axle,Driveshaft and Springs bit, either, but it's no worse than what AMT was doing 50 years ago, and MPC into the 1970's.

Nice to see that Moebius chose this place to take a shortcut, rather than someplace really visible.

How much time do we spend looking at the undersides of a finished kit anyhow?

Even at a show, it is a Death Penalty offense to pick up somebody else's model and  turn it over to peer at the bottom.

So, On a scale of Nits-to-Pick, this axle thing rates a 2(at best) and the wheel mounts rate a 3.5. IMHO.

 

Alan

If you feel it will become an issue someday....I'd attach the wheels with a drop of epoxy that will weld the entire assembly into one unit. 

I don't see it as an issue....but I ain't built a production kit yet. 

There is a reason for the rear axle molded as a unit......someday we'll know I am sure.....

Thanks!

Which is exactly what I would do, regardless. It's not a toy (to me), don't need to roll.

 

[1972coronet]

From every photo I've seen , that differential housing does look undersized . Not a deal breaker , not by a long shot ; just a disappointment .

[Sledsel]

Things like this are trivial. Use another rear from a different kit. Simple. 

[AzTom]

The split axle stubs are the same way the diecast car wheels have been attached for years now. It certainly should not be an issue with a plastic model.

 

Oh, I should mention that many of those are rated for 3+ yrs of age but some are 5+.

Edited August 7, 2015 by AzTom

[StevenGuthmiller]

Well, the Top of the axle is a small hit, but really not worth talking about.

My beef is the flimsy looking Split axle ends. Exactly how long will those last?

Much as I like the car, in a few years, there are going to be a large number of three wheeled and two wheeled Satellites.

And I see no real way to repair or strengthen the mounting pins for the wheels.

Even just gluing them solid, still leaves what appears to be a very fragile joint.

So when they do break, well, that's it.

Put fork in it.

I'm not too keen on the One Piece Axle,Driveshaft and Springs bit, either, but it's no worse than what AMT was doing 50 years ago, and MPC into the 1970's.

Nice to see that Moebius chose this place to take a shortcut, rather than someplace really visible.

How much time do we spend looking at the undersides of a finished kit anyhow?

Even at a show, it is a Death Penalty offense to pick up somebody else's model and  turn it over to peer at the bottom.

So, On a scale of Nits-to-Pick, this axle thing rates a 2(at best) and the wheel mounts rate a 3.5. IMHO.

 

Alan

Are you gonna be driving it a lot?

My kits are built to sit on a shelf in a case. If they're getting rough enough handling to break axles, there's probably going to be a whole lot of other issues with it.

If one of my builds gets dropped hard enough to break an axle, my first worry would be paint, etc. Wheels can be glued back on pretty easily.

I don't mean any disrespect with this response, I just don't think axle strength will be much of an issue as long as you're not pushing it around on the carpet.

 

Steve

 

[slusher]

 look at the big picture: Brand spankin' new '65 Satellite!

That's how i look at all these new models. So glad to have them.....

[stavanzer]

As far as the comments about the split axle and diecast cars.

If the Axle were molded in a Different (and stronger) plastic (ABS maybe) my complaint would be moot.

However, I've seen too many kits undone by just by age and normal handling.

That experience is what prompts my concern. Others my have had more and different experiences than I have had.

I'd not thought about the epoxy solution. Thank You, Dave.

 

Alan Alexis

[Nova-ss]

Thanks for the info.I'm not gripping I like this kit.but like everything in life,nothing is perfect.the rearend looks small to me.what would be agood exchange from another kit? and from what I see its a 8 3/4 rear axle.I'm as well going to change parts about the rear axle and suspension. shaft has to be fixed.yes the wheel attachment pins I will remove and fix that part as well,if I use this rear axle.there is no seperation lines in the leaf springs..I may build my own leafs.my biggest question is there a better rear end from another kit to use? thanks guys......Chris 

[Luc Janssens]

Every part comes at a cost, the design of a model kit IMHO, is form follows function, meaning does an extra part add value to the model, makes the assembly, painting easier and tooling-wise the design production and packaging simpler, or is it just an extra cost, which also complicates and could even halt the build.

Anyone here has built the Mirror models Diamond-T wrecker kit?

 

Anyway, hope to have my copy of this kit in the mail next week.