Porsche Outlaws & Hot Rods

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16 hours ago, 1930fordpickup said:

https://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com/video-tiny-porsche-911-engine-screams-like-a-real-one/?fbclid=IwAR2Z8Ckwbao1Ulx03jq4fpHtPTyp2baLwmslJKMAcrcpD7P2kigg196fUFQ

 

[Russell C]

383 mid-engine 911:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-911-79/

[matthijsgrit]

Vittorio Strosek | Strosek Autodesign 

[Ace-Garageguy]

On 12/10/2021 at 2:00 AM, Russell C said:

383 mid-engine 911:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-911-79/

Nah.

I think the hot setup if you're going to do a V8 911, and exactly what I'm contemplating for mine, is to swap the entire sidewinder drivetrain out of a 2009 G8 Pontiac GXP with the 6-speed...in the middle.

415 happy horses right out of the box, and the sidewinder swap would put the center of mass in a better place than the tail-waggy stock 911 has it.

Ought to drive the purists nuts too, getting smoked by a hot-rod 911 "built from junk".

Only problem is that there's not a lot of 'em, so finding a wrecked donor might be a pretty good trick.

EDIT: I've driven a Fiero with the GXP/6speed swap (though I did not build it), and it makes the car what it should have been instead of letting it die. And if it'll fit in a Fiero, it'll fit in a 911 with a little more fabrication work.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Ace-Garageguy
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[sfhess]

The Pontiac G8 was not a "sidewinder".  It was front engine, rear-wheel drive (Australian Holden platform).

Don't you mean the Bonneville GXP?  That was transverse engine, front-wheel drive.

[Ace-Garageguy]

14 hours ago, sfhess said:

The Pontiac G8 was not a "sidewinder".  It was front engine, rear-wheel drive (Australian Holden platform).

Don't you mean the Bonneville GXP?  That was transverse engine, front-wheel drive.

Yeah, looking back I think I meant GP (for Grand Prix), and 2008 as the model year.

Numbers and letters are hard, and when you're old and senile, they're even harder.   

EDIT: I misquoted the HP numbers on the LS4 in the GP too. It's only 303 with a 4-speed slushbox.

And after checking my notes, I see the hot-rod Fiero I alluded to was not a complete drivetrain swap either, but another LS (not LS4) bolted to a manual FWD F40 six-speed gearbox via a machined adaptor, all sitting on a modified Fiero subframe (NOTE: The LS4 will basically bolt to the F40 gearbox, with a starter location mod. The other LS engines require an adapter).

The lesson here: I really shouldn't post unless I actually KNOW what I'm talking about...or look it up.

However, the idea of a sidewinder LS in the back seat of a 911 is still entirely feasible.

Edited December 16, 2021 by Ace-Garageguy

[Joe Handley]

53 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Yeah, looking back I think I meant GP (for Grand Prix), and 2008 as the model year.

Numbers and letters are hard, and when you're old and senile, they're even harder.   

EDIT: I misquoted the HP numbers on the LS4 in the GP too. It's only 303 with a 4-speed slushbox.

And after checking my notes, I see the hot-rod Fiero I alluded to was not a complete drivetrain swap either, but another LS (not LS4) bolted to a manual FWD gearbox via a machined adaptor, all sitting on a modified Fiero subframe.

The lesson here: I really shouldn't post unless I actually KNOW what I'm talking about.

However, the idea of a sidewinder LS in the back seat of a 911 is still entirely feasible.

Can't look right now, but there is a guy on YouTube doing this swap with a Corvair and he's already built a Beetle with a Subaru WRX engine and transaxle that is north of 500hp and sketchy looking under power.

[stitchdup]

probably the most outlaw porsche 356 possible-   https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2021/12/16/renee-brinkerhoff-and-valkyrie-racing-are-conquering-antarctica-in-a-porsche-356-for-a-cause

[Joe Handley]

Hope that 356 has a really good heater in it!

[stitchdup]

Well I thought the 356 ice racer was the wildest porsche but this popped up on my feed today  http://www.speedhunters.com/2021/12/burn-your-rulebook-meet-the-half11/

Its even wilder....

[Ace-Garageguy]

20 hours ago, stitchdup said:

...I thought the 356 ice racer was the wildest porsche but this popped up on my feed today...

Yeah, now THAT is a hot-rod Porsche (rear track's a little wide in these renderings, but it's more reasonable on the real in-progress car):

Edited December 20, 2021 by Ace-Garageguy

[Ace-Garageguy]

Different guys, similar idea...

[stitchdup]

9 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Different guys, similar idea...

theres a guy in belgium doing the same thing with 70s lambos, isn't it great what people can do when they dont care what purists think?

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, stitchdup said:

...isn't it great what people can do when they dont care what purists think?

I've never understood the slavish worship of a particular make.

The "purists" sometimes seem to forget that, for example, the original Porsches were just hot-rod Volkswagens. Lamborghinis were built by a tractor manufacturer who wanted to do Enzo Ferrari one better. No matter how spectacular and "purebred" the vehicle, in the beginning, they were all made by guys who put their pants on one-leg-at-a-time.

On the other hand, cutting up a pristine or historically important example of a rare machine to make a personal "creative" statement makes no sense to me either.

If I found a virgin '32 Ford roadster or 3-window coupe, no way would I rod it; there just aren't enough left...and you can buy all new steel anyway.

On the other hand, heavily modifying my own '74 911 seems perfectly reasonable; my car isn't that nice, it's one of the least desirable of the series anyway, and there are tons of other 911s far more worthy of obsessive restoration.

 

[89AKurt]

8 hours ago, stitchdup said:

Well I thought the 356 ice racer was the wildest porsche but this popped up on my feed today  http://www.speedhunters.com/2021/12/burn-your-rulebook-meet-the-half11/

Its even wilder....

Thanks for posting that, and Bill for the pictures.  I love ❤️ this concept!  I like how the article is done, a paragraph, picture, repeat.  Those guys are living the American dream.  Screw the 'purists', they can shove it where the sun don't shine, with a sharp twist to the left.  Most Porsches are a dime a dozen, people with imagination scare those sticks in the mud.  That's why I love this particular shop.  Makes me want to get an Indy car, and mate with a ..... I already have!

[stitchdup]

4 minutes ago, 89AKurt said:

Thanks for posting that, and Bill for the pictures.  I love ❤️ this concept!  I like how the article is done, a paragraph, picture, repeat.  Those guys are living the American dream.  Screw the 'purists', they can shove it where the sun don't shine, with a sharp twist to the left.  Most Porsches are a dime a dozen, people with imagination scare those sticks in the mud.  That's why I love this particular shop.  Makes me want to get an Indy car, and mate with a ..... I already have!

I'll assume you've seen the hoonigan lambo from sema this year

 

[89AKurt]

37 minutes ago, stitchdup said:

I'll assume you've seen the hoonigan lambo from sema this year

 

FYI:  First picture does not show up for me.  I have not seen that, and I've been watching the Hoonigan You Tube channels.  You better start the Lamborghini Outlaws & Hot Rods topic (I've done the Mercedes topic) ?.

[Ace-Garageguy]

On 12/19/2021 at 10:27 PM, 89AKurt said:

...You better start the Lamborghini Outlaws & Hot Rods topic (I've done the Mercedes topic) ?.

I'll take up that gauntlet...   

[89AKurt]

Hope this wasn't posted before.... stolen off of Fakebook, who knows where it was stolen from.  AZ Historical plate.

[Codi]

RUF 911...........775 hp / 3000lb. weight.   Want!  

[Joe Handley]

Well, I need to park this here too, an air cooled 911 Targa Safari!  Had an aftermarket  exhaust Ohio temp tags on it, besides the obvious.

[porschercr]

911 ST by Rennsport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJXvY_VJl8E

Edited February 2, 2022 by porschercr
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[Richard Bartrop]

Porsche kustom from the 1950s

[keyser]

More weight in back. Just what it needs. ?

[Ace-Garageguy]

20 minutes ago, keyser said:

More weight in back. Just what it needs. ?

Stylin' and profilin' often had no regard regard for...or understanding of...vehicle dynamics; some things never change. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy