58 Impala Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Just received issue #137, great issue. I have one complaint,7 pages on a steam traction engine?! It was an interesting story but I think the subject matter is more suited to Model Railroading Magazine. Does anyone else feel the same way? I would rather see that much space for car features,how-to's,reviews,or show coverage.
RyanSilva Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) I enjoyed it..and welcome it anytime! Edited January 31, 2009 by RyanSilva
Harry P. Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 The steam tractor article was a little "different" for sure... but hopefully most of you found it interesting. And remember, the techniques used on that model apply just as well to a model car!
LoneWolf15 Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Impala, Normally I'd agree with you here , however , this was a truly exquisite piece that has to be seen in person for it to be appreciated .It is a beautiful piece of modeling artwork ! Billy is probably one of the finest weather / build modelers out there . Anything and everything that he builds is a class A type jewel , mostly early trucks . Hey !, It rolls on wheels , right ? Bills only fault , he hangs out with a crazy guy by the name of Kren ! The Old Man
RodBurNeR Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I enjoyed seeing the article, but would rather it be on cars too. BUT I am not complaining. I am A-OK with some oddball stuff to look at, God knows we have seen a lot of car modeling done on the internet and in the magazine...so it was a nice change of "reading material". Above all, I was really happy to get the issue as it was my first in my sub! I usually miss out on a lot of the issues, but not anymore! WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! MODEL CARS MAGAZINE ROCKS!
Joe Handley Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Dang, wish I'd had a chance to at least look at it before we sold out of that issue, sounds like a neat article!
iBorg Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I admire the artwork of the model. The detailing and weathering were top notch. Looks just like something that would be in my Dad's Garden Railroading magazine. The fictional story, while maybe clever is typical of Bill's writing. You either think its clever and inspiring or you wonder why you're wasting your time reading it. My time was better spent reading about diecast I'd never consider buying. At least most of the other magazine was better than that other magazine that lost it's "E". Mike
lordairgtar Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I like diverse model subjects like the traction engine. No different than seeing a vintage truck model.
Billy Kingsley Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I know it's an old cliche in the modeling world but Gregg can only use what he gets. (I have not gotten mine yet, or if I have, I have not read it yet, been REALLY busy!) so I cannot comment on the article itself, nor do I know who wrote it.
58 Impala Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 Guys, don't get me wrong. It is a fantastic build, I appreciate all the work that went into it. At one time I was into model railroading for awhile. Those guys know how to weather and detail stuff. The traction engine was very nicely weathered and detailed, I bet this guy is great at dioramas or building beaters and ratrods.
Tom Kren Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Guys, don't get me wrong. It is a fantastic build, I appreciate all the work that went into it. At one time I was into model railroading for awhile. Those guys know how to weather and detail stuff. The traction engine was very nicely weathered and detailed, I bet this guy is great at dioramas or building beaters and ratrods. Yes Bill is Bill does rat rads old p/u trucks also and great guy!Its good to see new stuff in the magazine Bill has had other things in it too.
Bobdude Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Being a model builder isn't just about cars,it's any scale model.Whether it's a kit or scratchbuilt,glossy or weathered,if a person can't appreciate the work and techniques involved in building the scale model,you're not a real modeler. As for Gregg and his business practices,if you're not satisfied with the content of the magazine or delivery times,go with the competition.Or better yet,start you're own magazine and you can put anything you want in it.
Harry P. Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 We're trying to cover a wider range of subjects in the magazine. Obviously not everyone will like every article... that's life. But we try to provide a wide range of stuff for you guys. The tractor feature is not a "model railroading" subject... it's not a train, it's a tractor. It's more closely related to a truck than a train. And the weathering techniques used on it apply to model cars. Yes, technically it's NOT a car, but the article has good information in it that can be used on any car model. If we run a NASCAR feature we hear from the guys who aren't into NASCAR, if we run a Porsche feature we hear from the guys who aren't into sports cars, if we run a funny car feature we hear from the guys who aren't into drag racing... and so on. You can't please everyone every time with everything. No matter what the subject, there are tips and techniques and ideas you can take from it and apply to your specific area of interest. Don't worry, there won't be any boats or tanks appearing in Model Cars anytime. But I think the tractor article, while a little off the beaten path, was a worthwhile feature. And as to the production schedule... WE'RE WORKING ON IT!!!!
Aaronw Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Don't worry, there won't be any boats or tanks appearing in Model Cars anytime. Well H E double hockey sticks, there goes my article idea for an amphibous tank turned salt flat racer. Really guys, a traction motor is early construction / farm equipment. I hope a build of AMTs Cat D8 Dozer or one of their farm tractors fits here, it certainly doesn't fit in other magazines. There is more to car modelling than hotrods and lowriders, not that there is anything wrong with those. I'm still waiting for my issue, now I'm looking forward to seeing this article to see what the fuss is about. Edited January 31, 2009 by Aaronw
Tom Jackson Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Harry And Gregg Please keep up the good work. I liked Bills Tractor , I have seen it in person I can say It awsome. My feelings are it has 4 wheels it belongs here. As For The SCREAMING about other Things Like The mag being late Deal With it or Move on . Gregg and Harry Are trying to do There best.And I am Grateful for the Magazine . The Comps Mag is hardly worth picking up anymore . Edited January 31, 2009 by Tom Jackson
george 53 Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I haven't gotten my issue#137 yet, but I know I'm gonna like it! This just stokes the fire! What goin on? I don't care what Gregg, Harry an crew put in it, I'll read about it! I can't get enough of the Mag, on time or NOT!, And I HOPE it DOES go to 12 issues a year, I'd be in Model Car Heaven!!!!
samdiego Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 I thought it was a standout article from many standpoints. The tractor was extremely well done, the text was well written, the photos were good and it built on the new look of the mag. Very nice indeed. If this piece steers a newbie into the local railroadshop for detail stuff, than it's done its job. Try this; if you've never built a "dirty" model on a dioramic base, give it a shot. Even if the subject matter is just a driveway scene of something in need of a good wash as opposed to complete derelict. The weathering process is eyeopening and a little therepeutic.
Aaronw Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Harry And Gregg Please keep up the good work. I liked Bills Tractor , I have seen it in person I can say It awsome. My feelings are it has 4 wheels it belongs here. As For The SCREAMING about other Things Like The mag being late Deal With it or Move on . Gregg and Harry Are trying to do There best.And I am Grateful for the Magazine . The Comps Mag is hardly worth picking up anymore . I understand peoples frustration with the magazine being late but really as long as I get the 9 issues I paid for mostly within the year I paid for I'm a happy guy. Like you said at least when it shows up its worth reading.
93Z34 Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Personally, I'm not above picking up a copy of Model Railroader to check out an article or two. I learned alot from railroad weathering that can be applied to just about any type of modeling you do. As long as Model Cars doesn't go the way of another certain publication, I don't see any issues at all with showcasing such a grand piece of modeling. No matter what the subject matter is, I try to take something away from each model I see, whether it be on here or in the magazine or at a show. That's part of becoming a better modeler. When you pass over an article, especially one as in-depth as the one in question here, you really tend to shortchange yourself in terms of learning new and improved techniques for building better models. To me, that's a greater loss than spending the time reading and studying the article and associated pics and asking what you can apply to your models from what a fellow modeler has taken his time to share with the hobby. Just my thoughts on the subject...
SteveG Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 While the subject matter is certainly on the fringe of Car Modeling, Bill is clearly considered a Car and Truck modeler and has been contibuting to our Hobby long before I got back into it. That tractor has been displayed at all kinds of Car Modeling events although it typically lands in the Misc class. While the subject matter is not my thing either I have certainly have learned a lot from Bill over the years that I can apply to the subjects I do build. I can easlily same the same thing about articles on exotic cars and Nascar models. I don't build those either but I almost always get some ideas and tips from the articles that cover them. Here's a couple of photos of Bill's Trucks model. Many of the techniques used to build the steam tractor were used on these two Trucks. -Steve
Art Anderson Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 We're trying to cover a wider range of subjects in the magazine. Obviously not everyone will like every article... that's life. But we try to provide a wide range of stuff for you guys. The tractor feature is not a "model railroading" subject... it's not a train, it's a tractor. It's more closely related to a truck than a train. And the weathering techniques used on it apply to model cars. Yes, technically it's NOT a car, but the article has good information in it that can be used on any car model. If we run a NASCAR feature we hear from the guys who aren't into NASCAR, if we run a Porsche feature we hear from the guys who aren't into sports cars, if we run a funny car feature we hear from the guys who aren't into drag racing... and so on. You can't please everyone every time with everything. No matter what the subject, there are tips and techniques and ideas you can take from it and apply to your specific area of interest. Don't worry, there won't be any boats or tanks appearing in Model Cars anytime. But I think the tractor article, while a little off the beaten path, was a worthwhile feature. And as to the production schedule... WE'RE WORKING ON IT!!!! Whaaat????? No drag or ski boats? No Unlimited Hydroplanes? Hmmm! Art
Zoom Zoom Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 I think it's an awesome article. At first when I skimmed the magazine I was a bit unsure, but I read the whole thing and really looked at the photos and realized Bill's models are always inspiring. If you ever get the chance to see them in person at a show, they're a real treat to look at. Subtle details that can have you studying it for hours...great stuff.
58 Impala Posted February 1, 2009 Author Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) I love this magazine, I look foward to every issue and I read them cover to cover.But if I pissed off some of you or yanked someones chain or insulted someone,sorry. ######, from now on I'll keep my opinions to myself. Edited February 1, 2009 by 58 Impala
LoneWolf15 Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Ah ! Ah ! Ah !, Nobody's getting shredded here , Young Stud ! Lesson to be learned from this . Each and every one of us , regardless of what we model , can learn from a completely foriegn subject . If all of us took a lesson from the way that Bill Borgen models , we'd all be top rate ! Too often , we all miss the big picture ( Modeling skills ) because we don't like a particular subject . It is all about modeling and developing our skills rather than the subject matter ! That , is the only point that I was trying to put across in my first post . Impala is entitled to his opinion , as are all of us . As for the Big Kahuna , he's around . He is busier then a one legged man in a butt kickin' contest ! He has bigger fish to fry then babysitting this lunatic asylum ! Later , Little Brother ! The Old Man
MrObsessive Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 I haven't seen the issue, but I gotta agree that other type builds can be interesting in their own right. While I'll probably never build a tractor model, I would think a lot can be learned from weathering for instance--------as I've never seen a clean tractor unless it was on the dealer floor! My thing is mostly replica/factory stock............but I'll stop in a train shop in a hot minute as I found a lot of what those guys use to detail trains translates into model cars.
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