Buyer beware

[StevenGuthmiller]

3 hours ago, Bainford said:

I could never get the second coat to come out nice with the dirty pinecone. Always too lumpy. I'll try harder.

I can attest, however, to the abilities of a live squirrel's tail to provide good coverage. A squirrel will sometimes trot into my garage. One managed to dip his tail in a pan of used motor oil. Before he found his way back out of the garage, he had laid down a coat of oil on just about everything in there.

I once left an electric deep fryer still full of oil in my garage overnight to cool.

I suspected that a woodchuck had gotten into my garage at some point but had not seen him.

Guess how I verified that he was in fact sheltering in my garage!

 

 

 

 

Steve

[Bugatti Fan]

I use an airbrush ( a very old Badger like yours) but also use aerosols Pete.

So I have concluded that must make me partially lazy ????      LOL !

[peteski]

9 minutes ago, Bugatti Fan said:

I use an airbrush ( a very old Badger like yours) but also use aerosols Pete.

So I have concluded that must make me partially lazy ????      LOL !

I use spray cans and airbrush too. Nobody seems to understand what I'm trying to convey.  There are modelers who are simply airbrush-averse. They don't own and don't want to own an airbrush because they say that airbrushes are too difficult and time consuming to clean. That is their whole excuse for not trying none.

Edited August 27, 2024 by peteski

[Ace-Garageguy]

51 minutes ago, peteski said:

...There are modelers who are simply airbrush-averse. They don't own and don't want to own an airbrush because they say that airbrushes are too difficult and time consuming to clean. That is their whole excuse for not trying none.

There are also people who are seriously overweight, and refuse to eat healthy and exercise from exactly the same mindset, even though there are mountains of irrefutable evidence proving that maintaining a healthy weight and cardio fitness lead to a longer, happier life, less dependent on medication...sometimes eliminating the need for medication entirely.

They prefer to sit all day, stuffing on bon-bons and junk food, suffer with type-2 diabetes and insulin shots and sleep-apnea related to obesity, and rely on quackery like Ozempic to lose weight...if they even bother at all.

People are going to do what they're going to do, and trying to pretend otherwise, no matter how much better choices they could make for any given activity or situation, makes no sense.  

Far as the airbrush vs. rattlecan thing goes, I use both, depending on what's appropriate for any given application, and the results I want to achieve. I put in the time and effort to develop the skills that let me produce first-rate finishes with just about anything...within reason.

The galling thing is that so many people seem to believe they can turn out first-rate results with as close to zero effort and expense as possible.

If you insist on buying cheap rattlecan paint and never bother to learn how to get primo results from anything, don't be surprised...and don't whine...when your work looks like a 5-year-old did it.

Edited August 27, 2024 by Ace-Garageguy
CLARITY

[bobthehobbyguy]

Considering that buying a airbrush and compressor package if a builder doesn’t think the airbrush works for them why would you buy one if you're not going to use it. And there is a little more than just the cleaning an mastering the airbrush you also have to figure out the mixing ratio for the paints. So not only are you dealing with cost but a learning curve..

[Bugatti Fan]

Pete.    My last post was actually a bit of tongue in cheek humour.

There are many out there who neither care about or own an air brush.  That is not going to change.

So no point in trying to flog a dead horse.    Each to their own etc etc

[Xingu]

Lets throw this off on a different tangent. I wonder how often these companies change their formulas without telling the consumers that they did so. I would guess that the EPA has gotten involved with aerosol paint once or twice in the last 50 years and mandated 'safer' components.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Just now, Xingu said:

Lets throw this off on a different tangent. I wonder how often these companies change their formulas without telling the consumers that they did so. I would guess that the EPA has gotten involved with aerosol paint once or twice in the last 50 years and mandated 'safer' components.

Good point, and that's been a topic of discussion in the past.

PlastiKote in particular, once the go-to automotive rattlecan primer favored by many top-rated modelers, is now useless.

We've also had threads on how the composition of kit plastics has changed over the past couple of decades, and that rattlecan products that used to work great on models are now a recipe for disaster without rigorous testing prior to use.

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 hours ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

I once left an electric deep fryer still full of oil in my garage overnight to cool.

I suspected that a woodchuck had gotten into my garage at some point but had not seen him.

Guess how I verified that he was in fact sheltering in my garage!

Silly me. I was hoping for a deep-fried gopher recipe, knowing how you like to cook and all.

[StevenGuthmiller]

8 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Silly me. I was hoping for a deep-fried gopher recipe, knowing how you like to cook and all.

I’m a little more particular than that with my proteins.

Squirrel is much richer and more refined. ?

 

 

Steve

[StevenGuthmiller]

1 hour ago, bobthehobbyguy said:

Considering that buying a airbrush and compressor package if a builder doesn’t think the airbrush works for them why would you buy one if you're not going to use it. And there is a little more than just the cleaning an mastering the airbrush you also have to figure out the mixing ratio for the paints. So not only are you dealing with cost but a learning curve..

There are a multitude of good reasons to at least contemplate adding an airbrush to ones collection of hobby tools, the availability of colors being one of the most obvious.

Ease of use and cleaning is easily addressed with a simple and basic single action, siphon feed brush.

All you need to do is adjust the needle via a simple thumb screw to adjust the amount of paint flow you want, (which by the way, is a monumental advantage over a spray can) and push the button.

Cleaning such an airbrush, at its most advanced, consists of removing the needle and tip and cleaning in a little lacquer thinner, the entire operation from start to finish taking less than 5 minutes.

Also, with a couple of extra fittings and a designated hose, any compressor will work just fine for airbrushing.

A special hobby compressor is totally unnecessary.

As far as color mixing goes, with the availability of pre-thinned, ready to spray paints from a number of providers, it makes mixing your own colors completely unnecessary unless it’s something that you find that you want to do.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had people say, “I LOVE that color. Who makes it?”, and as soon as I tell them MCW or Scale Finishes, you get a disappointed “Oh. Okay” because they have limited themselves to what’s available in a spray can.

Do I expect everyone to add an airbrush to their arsenal?.......nope.

But should they be considering it, they should understand that’s it’s not necessarily as complicated or expensive as they may have been led to believe.

 

 

Steve

Edited August 27, 2024 by StevenGuthmiller

[DJMar]

2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

There are also people who are seriously overweight, and refuse to eat healthy and exercise from exactly the same mindset, even though there are mountains of irrefutable evidence proving that maintaining a healthy weight and cardio fitness lead to a longer, happier life, less dependent on medication...sometimes eliminating the need for medication entirely.

They prefer to sit all day, stuffing on bon-bons and junk food, suffer with type-2 diabetes and insulin shots and sleep-apnea related to obesity, and rely on quackery like Ozempic to lose weight...if they even bother at all.

As someone who works in healthcare, I would like to suggest that we should all just stick to the conversation at hand, instead of lumping fat people into a monolithic block and spreading misinformation about obesity, T2 diabetes, exercise and FDA tested & approved medications.

Not only is this comment shockingly ignorant and harmful, it is also not germane to the thread.

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, DJMar said:

As someone who works in healthcare, I would like to suggest that we should all just stick to the conversation at hand, instead of lumping fat people into a monolithic block and spreading misinformation about obesity, T2 diabetes, exercise and FDA tested & approved medications.

Not only is this comment shockingly ignorant and harmful, it is also not germane to the thread.

Nobody is "lumping fat people into a monolithic block". Every individual requires specific evaluation and care.

HOWEVER, "as someone who works in healthcare" you really should be aware of the volumes of accredited and repeatable medical studies providing conclusive evidence linking lack of exercise, poor diet, and overweight to the onset of T2 diabetes...and the positive effect lifestyle changes in these categories can have on a patient.

"As someone who works in healthcare", you might also want to research the known and emerging side-effects of Ozempic and other medications containing semaglutide (even though it is "FDA tested and approved").

I'd like to know where the "shockingly ignorant and harmful" part comes in.

I have rather extensive personal experience regarding the reversal of pre-diabetic symptoms and lowered blood-pressure as a direct result of losing weight and exercising...without drugs of any kind.

It is "germane to the thread" from the standpoint that, even though clinically researched and verified lifestyle options that can markedly improve quality-of-life are readily available to anyone, many people refuse them because they're "too difficult"...which is the "excuse" for not using an airbrush that elicited my response.

PS: Feel free to PM me f you'd like to continue this discussion off the board.

 

[DJMar]

@Ace-Garageguy Yeah, no thanks. Even if you work specifically in bariatric medicine, I have no interest in having a discussion with you about this, on or off the boards.

Your specific comment of "They prefer to sit all day, stuffing on bon-bons and junk food, suffer with type-2 diabetes and insulin shots and sleep-apnea related to obesity, and rely on quackery like Ozempic to lose weight...if they even bother at all." tells me all I need to know.

IMHO, there were other ways to make your point about people refusing to use an airbrush, other than throwing blame at people struggling with obesity and related issues.

"As someone who works in healthcare", that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

[NOBLNG]

4 hours ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

There are a multitude of good reasons to at least contemplate adding an airbrush to ones collection of hobby tools, the availability of colors being one of the most obvious.

Ease of use and cleaning is easily addressed with a simple and basic single action, siphon feed brush.

All you need to do is adjust the needle via a simple thumb screw to adjust the amount of paint flow you want, (which by the way, is a monumental advantage over a spray can) and push the button.

Cleaning such an airbrush, at its most advanced, consists of removing the needle and tip and cleaning in a little lacquer thinner, the entire operation from start to finish taking less than 5 minutes.

Also, with a couple of extra fittings and a designated hose, any compressor will work just fine for airbrushing.

A special hobby compressor is totally unnecessary.

As far as color mixing goes, with the availability of pre-thinned, ready to spray paints from a number of providers, it makes mixing your own colors completely unnecessary unless it’s something that you find that you want to do.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had people say, “I LOVE that color. Who makes it?”, and as soon as I tell them MCW or Scale Finishes, you get a disappointed “Oh. Okay” because they have limited themselves to what’s available in a spray can.

Do I expect everyone to add an airbrush to their arsenal?.......nope.

But should they be considering it, they should understand that’s it’s not necessarily as complicated or expensive as they may have been led to believe.

 

 

Steve

There you go Steve! Well put without a hint of condemnation.? I totally agree with the positive attributes of an airbrush…but if someone decides for whatever reason that they don’t want one, that’s perfectly okay too. There is always brush painting as a last resort.?

[bobss396]

23 hours ago, JollySipper said:

All of my paint jobs are from an aerosol can..... It's all in knowing how to use the materials! This is all DupliColor.

It looks decent enough to me.....

This is what I'm talking about... bravo. I tend to get rusty if I have some time off between paint work. I'm in a hiatus right now with a 1:1 project. I should be back in action in maybe another month. 

[peteski]

I still chuckle that a thread with a very vague click-bait type of subject line, simply warning about a certain type of spray can primer has developed into a mega thread with over 150 replies so far (with many OT responses)  and still going strong.  Bravo! Fun stuff!

Edited August 28, 2024 by peteski

[StevenGuthmiller]

On 8/27/2024 at 6:52 AM, JollySipper said:

All of my paint jobs are from an aerosol can..... It's all in knowing how to use the materials! This is all DupliColor.

It looks decent enough to me.....

I don't believe that there's been much argument that Duplicolor isn't a good option when it comes to spray cans.

As a matter of fact, along with Tamiya, it's generally one of those that's recommended by people that have used it.

It's an entirely different animal than Rustoleum, without question.

 

These are some that I've used Duplicolor paint on.

 

 

I usually shy away from using Duplicolor metallics as I find their metallic particles to be generally too large for 1/25th scale, but their solid colors are just another automotive lacquer and work well.

 

 

 

 

Steve

[mikemodeler]

It is "germane to the thread" from the standpoint that, even though clinically researched and verified lifestyle options that can markedly improve quality-of-life are readily available to anyone, many people refuse them because they're "too difficult"...which is the "excuse" for not using an airbrush that elicited my response.

 

 

Using this logic we can debate the cost of hamburgers at Burger King with the struggles of the rancher. Sorry,  but the fact of the matter is Ace took this thread way off topic.

And for some, diabetes is genetic condition that diet and exercise cannot fix and discussing that on a model forum is both pointless and not helpful in the hobby.

[StevenGuthmiller]

2 minutes ago, mikemodeler said:

And for some, diabetes is genetic condition that diet and exercise cannot fix

Well, that can't be argued with.

Diabetes is prominent in my father's side of the family.

My father and at least a couple of his brothers had it, and not one of them weighed more than 160 lbs soaking wet.

 

 

 

Steve

[Bugatti Fan]

Phew! All this discussion from Mike's first original post just asking a question about a spray primer ?

And the band plays on !    Lol.

[StevenGuthmiller]

2 hours ago, Bugatti Fan said:

Phew! All this discussion from Mike's first original post just asking a question about a spray primer ?

And the band plays on !    Lol.

Nothing wrong with a little bit of discussion.

Just as interesting, if not more so, than a lot of other threads on the site that have gone on for months or even years.

 

 

 

Steve

Edited August 28, 2024 by StevenGuthmiller

[Bugatti Fan]

Agreed.   Nothing wrong with good discussion, long or short provided it remains civil like this one.

[bobss396]

18 hours ago, peteski said:

I still chuckle that a thread with a very vague click-bait type of subject line, simply warning about a certain type of spray can primer has developed into a mega thread with over 150 replies so far (with many OT responses)  and still going strong.  Bravo! Fun stuff!

I dunno... the post on a spilled bottle of liquid glue has gone the same route...

[bluestringer]

If y'all don't shut up I'm gonna go out of my mind. I might just bust a spring, I'm already off balance.