Where is Chad with R2 February news?

[stavanzer]

9 hours ago, iangilly said:

I cant wait to hear all the "experts" complain about the 72 duster and barracuda. 2 kits that haven't been offered in 50+ years and someone will have something to take issue with.

 

10 hours ago, Mr mopar said:

But would still like to see a '70 Duster 340 .

It's already started in this thread. Not satisfied with the Demon and Duster, already wishing for something else.

Some Folks would complain if you hung them with a new rope.

[slusher]

6 hours ago, stavanzer said:

 

It's already started in this thread. Not satisfied with the Demon and Duster, already wishing for something else.

Some Folks would complain if you hung them with a new rope.

There will always be complaints..  I believed they should have had kits to show like always because they never show up on time..

[Justin Porter]

15 hours ago, Radretireddad said:

I too, eagerly await collecting all three, however, I wonder if we’re entering a phase where it is no longer profitable for kit manufacturers to tool up complete, fully detailed kits of subjects that have not yet been kitted or versions of existing subjects that would require a substantial redesign of the tooling.

We are in an era where Heller is giving us a new full-detail kit of the Peugeot 205GTi, there are multiple new 1/12th scale F1 cars on the drawing board from Meng and NuNu taking up where Tamiya left off, and even tiny companies like Salvinos JR can make a business case for all-new kits of Whelen Tour asphalt modifieds. 

Round 2's business strategy is not properly indicative of the hobby at large.

[Daddyfink]

46 minutes ago, Justin Porter said:

We are in an era where Heller is giving us a new full-detail kit of the Peugeot 205GTi, there are multiple new 1/12th scale F1 cars on the drawing board from Meng and NuNu taking up where Tamiya left off, and even tiny companies like Salvinos JR can make a business case for all-new kits of Whelen Tour asphalt modifieds. 

Round 2's business strategy is not properly indicative of the hobby at large.

I think the "We want the old stuff back" crowd is drowning out the "We want something new" crowd. And when we do get something new, they will complain that is not some new version of an old kit!! 

And then we get the "What would you like to see" threads where folks ask for the same stuff, over and over again. 

It just cycles again, over and over. 

[Rob Hall]

20 hours ago, Mr mopar said:

Barracuda yes Duster yes ! But would still like to see a '70 Duster 340 .

Isn't that pretty much the same as the AMT '71 Duster 340? 

[Justin Porter]

3 minutes ago, Daddyfink said:

I think the "We want the old stuff back" crowd is drowning out the "We want something new" crowd. And when we do get something new, they will complain that is not some new version of an old kit!! 

And then we get the "What would you like to see" threads where folks ask for the same stuff, over and over again. 

It just cycles again, over and over. 

I don't think that theory holds water when we step outside of the Round 2 bubble, though. Look at Hasegawa's aggressive new-tooling release schedule for the past decade. Since 2014 we've seen new tools of the Nissan Sunny pickup, BMW 2002, Suzuki Jimny, Honda N360, '74 Civic, Isuzu Gemini, Mitsubishi Colt Galant coupe, Nissan R91CP, R31 Skyline GTS-R, 1987 Nissan Bluebird sedan, EP71 Toyota Starlet, '83 Lancer EX Turbo, R32 Skyline GT-R, AE92 Toyota Corolla Levin, MkIII Toyota Supra, Isuzu 117 Coupe, 1st generation Mazda RX-7, 1st generation Toyota MR2, classic Mini Cooper, 1990 Nissan Pulsar GTi-R, KPGC110 Nissan Skyline, Toyota 91C-V, Isuzu Bellet, Z32 Nissan 300ZX, Nissan 240RS, S110 Nissan Silvia, and KP61 Toyota Starlet. 

All of these 100% new tool kits and all of these modular kit engineering that have produced many MANY versions for Hasegawa. When a rival kit company like Hasegawa nearly averages three new tool kits a year and all to a high quality of fit and detail and with the same roughly $28-$35 shelf price as your typical AMT or MPC release, I posit that Round 2's reissue heavy strategy is an outlier and NOT a case for the model industry at large.

[Rob Hall]

Round 2 has a very specific nostalgia market niche they cater to.  Their approach works for them.  Different companies have different market niches and strategies.

[Mr mopar]

25 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

Isn't that pretty much the same as the AMT '71 Duster 340? 

close but no cigar

[gtx6970]

1 minute ago, Mr mopar said:

close but no cigar

agreed, Biggest difference be it the grill and the interior 

Exhaust is different if you want to get picky 

[gtx6970]

14 minutes ago, Rob Hall said:

Round 2 has a very specific nostalgia market niche they cater to.  Their approach works for them.  Different companies have different market niches and strategies.

Round 2 was basically created to  create and cater to that niche. And I  for one, Am ok with it just they way it is.

Keep in coming 

 

 

In regards to the other manufacturers in the world today. I have zero interest in 90 % of the kits being produced . 

 

Outside of Round 2 and Revell, There is basically no kit that catches my attention

But Im not the only one buying model kits either 

 

Edited February 6 by gtx6970

[Mr mopar]

1 hour ago, gtx6970 said:

agreed, Biggest difference be it the grill and the interior 

Exhaust is different if you want to get picky 

Agree thx Bill ! 

[Mark C.]

2 hours ago, Daddyfink said:

I think the "We want the old stuff back" crowd is drowning out the "We want something new" crowd. And when we do get something new, they will complain that is not some new version of an old kit!! 

And then we get the "What would you like to see" threads where folks ask for the same stuff, over and over again. 

It just cycles again, over and over. 

I think it’s the best of all worlds out there now, as everyone can find something that they want if they know where to look.  Honestly, we modellers have an embarrassment of riches available to us now.

It seems we’ve come to the point now where some of us are complaining that the ‘other group’ is getting what they want, for some reason.  

[Rob Hall]

54 minutes ago, Mark C. said:

 

It seems we’ve come to the point now where some of us are complaining that the ‘other group’ is getting what they want, for some reason.  

Great times for the hobby...lots of new tools and reissues from the traditional kit makers and a vast amount of subjects available in the aftermarket....

[Rodent]

13 hours ago, stavanzer said:

 

It's already started in this thread. Not satisfied with the Demon and Duster, already wishing for something else.

Some Folks would complain if you hung them with a new rope.

 

1 hour ago, Mr mopar said:

Agree thx Bill ! 

I personally would prefer the 1970 as well because I prefer the 1:1 over the 1972. 1972 was the beginning of the end with the compression ratio dropped from 10.5 to 8.5:1. 1970-71 were the high water mark of the 340 to me. I am not a Mopar fan at all, but I do like and respect the 340.

That said, more is better. Someone will buy these kits and I am glad they are bringing some of these kits back / reimagined.

[av405]

18 hours ago, Jordan White said:

A few items I saw on Facebook, looks like the lifted ‘81 GMC pickup is returning with some cool new decals (hopefully)!

That looks to be the 1983-1984 GMC Deserter kit, with what I imagine will be some new decals. Meh. The Deserter is still easy to find (especially at HL). I'm all for new decals and a refresh, but I was hoping for something updated with new parts. Like what they did with the Sodbuster kit. 

As far as the larger conversation about Round2, I think they're playing it smart with their high-low mix of reissues and new tooling. As a 34 year-old, I wish they would lean a little more towards my era (1990s and up), but I get the appeal behind the nostalgia factor. If re-releasing a kit for the 100th time will lead to a new tooling of a modern/modern-ish subject, I'm good with that. I just hope that doing so isn't at the detriment of having more modern subjects. Which at this point for Round2, is anything from the 1990s and above.

Edited February 6 by av405

[Mark C.]

I am happy that they are bringing out the ‘72 as there are enough differences from the ‘70/‘71 to separate it.  Plus, with some aftermarket grilles and kitbashing, we can also do a ‘70 Duster from the ‘71, and a ‘72 Demon, as has been discussed on this forum.

[Jordan White]

13 minutes ago, av405 said:

That looks to be the 1983-1984 GMC Deserter kit, with what I imagine will be some new decals. Meh. The Deserter is still easy to find (especially at HL). I'm all for new decals and a refresh, but I was hoping for something updated with new parts. Like what they did with the Sodbuster kit. 

As far as the larger conversation about Round2, I think they're playing it smart with their high-low mix of reissues and new tooling. As a 34 year-old, I wish they would lean a little more towards my era (1990s and up), but I get the appeal behind the nostalgia factor. If re-releasing a kit for the 100th time will lead to a new tooling of a modern/modern-ish subject, I'm good with that. I just hope that doing so isn't at the detriment of having more modern subjects. Which at this point for Round2, is anything from the 1990s and above.

Luckily it appears Revell has many plans for their new 80s K5 tooling, based on the next version already being announced! Hopefully based on how they molded the parts, it would be easy for them to make a pickup kit that shares parts with the K5 kits!

[TonyK]

Always wanted a Barracuda model but MPC kits and I don't ever do well with each other so I look forward to this version. I've waited this long so hopefully I'll be rewarded with a decent kit.

[1972coronet]

12 hours ago, Rob Hall said:

Isn't that [ 1970 Duster ] pretty much the same as the AMT '71 Duster 340? 

Different grille ; different upholstery pattern (including the door cards) ; different stripes ; AVS carburetor' and, "flat" trunk lid (early production... they were replaced via a TSB or a recall).

IIRC, A Few Sprues Loose offers the '70 grille - the interior, no. Never has been a '70 Duster in any kit guise. A bit 'vexing' for those of us whom lack the skills to scratch build the door cards and upholstery.

[ChrisBcritter]

Would be nice if AMT would engineer the kit so the '59 El Camino chassis would be a drop-in fit.

[fairlane1320]

The modeling world needs less Dusters and Darts, and more real Performance Cars......

 

[Daddyfink]

22 hours ago, Justin Porter said:

I don't think that theory holds water when we step outside of the Round 2 bubble, though. Look at Hasegawa's aggressive new-tooling release schedule for the past decade. Since 2014 we've seen new tools of the Nissan Sunny pickup, BMW 2002, Suzuki Jimny, Honda N360, '74 Civic, Isuzu Gemini, Mitsubishi Colt Galant coupe, Nissan R91CP, R31 Skyline GTS-R, 1987 Nissan Bluebird sedan, EP71 Toyota Starlet, '83 Lancer EX Turbo, R32 Skyline GT-R, AE92 Toyota Corolla Levin, MkIII Toyota Supra, Isuzu 117 Coupe, 1st generation Mazda RX-7, 1st generation Toyota MR2, classic Mini Cooper, 1990 Nissan Pulsar GTi-R, KPGC110 Nissan Skyline, Toyota 91C-V, Isuzu Bellet, Z32 Nissan 300ZX, Nissan 240RS, S110 Nissan Silvia, and KP61 Toyota Starlet. 

All of these 100% new tool kits and all of these modular kit engineering that have produced many MANY versions for Hasegawa. When a rival kit company like Hasegawa nearly averages three new tool kits a year and all to a high quality of fit and detail and with the same roughly $28-$35 shelf price as your typical AMT or MPC release, I posit that Round 2's reissue heavy strategy is an outlier and NOT a case for the model industry at large.

Well, we are not really talking about foreign kit makers. Or where we? 

[Justin Porter]

1 minute ago, Daddyfink said:

Well, we are not really talking about foreign kit makers. Or where we? 

I was talking about the entire model car kit industry. AMT is on the same shelves as Hasegawa, as NuNu, as Tamiya, as Aoshima, as ICM, and so on. Viewing the remaining four domestic car kit manufacturers - Round 2, Moebius, Atlantis, Salvinos JR - as if they inhabit their own closed off little ecosystem paints a false picture.

[Rob Hall]

11 hours ago, 1972coronet said:

Different grille ; different upholstery pattern (including the door cards) ; different stripes ; AVS carburetor' and, "flat" trunk lid (early production... they were replaced via a TSB or a recall).

IIRC, A Few Sprues Loose offers the '70 grille - the interior, no. Never has been a '70 Duster in any kit guise. A bit 'vexing' for those of us whom lack the skills to scratch build the door cards and upholstery.

Harts Parts makes the base style 70 grille.  I have seen pictures of '70 Duster 340s with the base (Valiant-style) grille and the grille like the AMT '71 340 kit also.

[Daddyfink]

Just now, Justin Porter said:

I was talking about the entire model car kit industry. AMT is on the same shelves as Hasegawa, as NuNu, as Tamiya, as Aoshima, as ICM, and so on. Viewing the remaining four domestic car kit manufacturers - Round 2, Moebius, Atlantis, Salvinos JR - as if they inhabit their own closed off little ecosystem paints a false picture.

Well yes, that is a totally different deal. But how many here are buying or asking for foreign kits? I like them, you like them, but who else? Most of the talk here is American cars and American kit makers.