iamsuperdan Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 12:17 PM, Psychographic said: If you go the the site of the shop that built this and look through their galleries, it does appear the engineering and quality of what's underneath is hidden by the ratty outside. You will also notice that some of the "rat" was added after the fabrication as it looks less unskilled work in the building stages. Although I really dislike the idea of building something that looks poorly built ( sorry I don't and never will get it), I love the proportions he comes up with. I remember seeing the Camino a while back and thinking "that would be so cool if it was a finished ride". It did have the full fenders when I saw it and I liked it much better with them. Expand Exactly. There are a ton of shops that build vehicles on par with guys like Foose or Kindig or countless others, but choose to finish with a patina look or a rat look. Just because it looks junky, doesn't mean it is. Of course there are shops that cut corners and truly build junk, but in Canada at least, there's a pretty serious certification and licensing program for mechanics and shops. Doesn't stop the backyard guys though. Even guitar companies do it. This one, and all of its components are brand new. And it is definitely engineered to be a hotrodded shred guitar.
bobthehobbyguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 12:20 PM, Rob Hall said: 30 days and $3000 is an inherently false scenario, though. Unrealistic timeline and budget...where does the labor cost figure in? Expand In 2013 Rat Rod magazine created the rat rod buildoff. The challenge was build car car in 30 days and no more than $3000. The final part was the car had to do 500 miles. There was no restriction on labor cost.
Greg Myers Posted April 25, 2018 Author Posted April 25, 2018 Here's an older article from Hot Rod Magazine. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hdrp-0704-1937-ford-patina-three-window/ and a few shots of the before and after, from fiberglass body show rod to fake patina.
Psychographic Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 I'll take the silver version above over the patina any day.
Rob Hall Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Few things dumber than fake patina, IMO. I'm not a fan of rust, but I can appreciate if it is there legitimately like on an unrestored survivor...
crazyjim Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Doesn't even look like the same car. Side window opening looks completely different to me.
Greg Myers Posted April 25, 2018 Author Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Crazy Jim wins the Sharp Eye award. It's not. my bad, couldn't find the original picture sorry Here ya go, and another article showing how far he went. http://theamazoeffect.blogspot.com/2012/04/shabby-chic-faux-patinad-1937-ford.html Edited April 25, 2018 by Greg Myers
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Nothing cooler than a fake fiberglass car with fake rust on it. Pile on fake Olds valve covers (on a SB Chebby) and a fake blower too. Fake QC rear end covers are also a must. Be sure to get a chick with fake equipment on her chest to complete the look. Edited April 25, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy
Pat Minarick Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 3:45 PM, crazyjim said: Doesn't even look like the same car. Side window opening looks completely different to me. Expand The bottom one is a fiberglass body, it's all paint.
Pat Minarick Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 2:24 PM, Psychographic said: I'll take the silver version above over the patina any day. Expand Me too , Dave . It's got to be real rust. Oops, hold on I do that to plastic all the time?
Jon Cole Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 1:40 PM, iamsuperdan said: Expand Wait- are they now clearcoating the patina? If so, what's the point of the patina?
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 4:44 PM, Jon Cole said: Wait- are they now clearcoating the patina? If so, what's the point of the patina? Expand Yup. This has been a thing for several years. Who knows what the logic is.
NOBLNG Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/21/2018 at 2:28 AM, Greg Myers said: Expand It looks like JUNK! And I LIKE it! Other than no cover over the transmission I see nothing that makes me think it would be unsafe. It even has roll hoops which makes me think the builder has some sort of an eye towards safety. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and just because something is perceived as ugly doesn't make it unsafe. Practical...definitely not!
Richard Bartrop Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 It makes just as much sense as the trend many years ago for pre faded and pre-distressed jeans, i. e. none. I'm starting to really hate the term "autheniticity" , because almost without fail it's used to describe something that's contrived and artificial, but without the virtue of being attractive. It's not unlike when Marie Antionette would play farmer.
Joe Handley Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 4:44 PM, Jon Cole said: Wait- are they now clearcoating the patina? If so, what's the point of the patina? Expand On 4/25/2018 at 4:55 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: Yup. This has been a thing for several years. Who knows what the logic is. Expand What kills me though, it's GLOSS clear, at least put a flat clear on it.
bobthehobbyguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 3:57 PM, Greg Myers said: Crazy Jim wins the Sharp Eye award. It's not. my bad, couldn't find the original picture sorry Here ya go, and another article showing how far he went. http://theamazoeffect.blogspot.com/2012/04/shabby-chic-faux-patinad-1937-ford.html Expand Talk about silly trends the car pictured could not be driven as is. It sits way too low. Also there would be some serous body damage if it got a flat. At least show it with the fenders in line with the wheels.
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) On 4/25/2018 at 5:52 PM, bobthehobbyguy said: Talk about silly trends the car pictured could not be driven as is. It sits way too low. Also there would be some serous body damage if it got a flat. At least show it with the fenders in line with the wheels. Expand Air bags. It's raised to drive. Adjustable suspension like this, sometimes pneumatic, sometimes hydraulic, has been around for decades. The wheel openings on the yellow car have been moved lower relative to the fender tops to enhance the visual effect, too. The Citroen SM (and others) could be dropped almost that low on its stock suspension. Edited April 25, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy
Atmobil Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 2:41 PM, Rob Hall said: Few things dumber than fake patina, IMO. I'm not a fan of rust, but I can appreciate if it is there legitimately like on an unrestored survivor... Expand In my eyes, we (us modelbuilders) are often doing the same thing. We wheather our plastic models to look like rusted metal and try to age paint to look like its old even if the kit in question came fresh out of the molds only a few months ago. We are the lords of fauxtina in many ways.
Joe Handley Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 6:11 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: Air bags. It's raised to drive. Adjustable suspension like this, sometimes pneumatic, sometimes hydraulic, has been around for decades. The wheel openings on the yellow car have been moved lower relative to the fender tops to enhance the visual effect, too. The Citroen SM (and others) could be dropped almost that low on its stock suspension. Expand That would explain why the car looks off then, I knew about the bags, but not the openings!
Richard Bartrop Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 6:33 PM, Atmobil said: In my eyes, we (us modelbuilders) are often doing the same thing. We wheather our plastic models to look like rusted metal and try to age paint to look like its old even if the kit in question came fresh out of the molds only a few months ago. We are the lords of fauxtina in many ways. Expand Models are a little different, in that the whole point is fakery. We're trying to fool the brain into thinking a few ounces of plastic is actually two tons of metal.
bobthehobbyguy Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) I understand about the airbags. Still looks goofy to me. At least on the Citroën the edges of the fenders are aligned with the rims. May not be practical to drive it that low but it doesn't look goofy. Edited April 25, 2018 by bobthehobbyguy
Atmobil Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 6:39 PM, Richard Bartrop said: Models are a little different, in that the whole point is fakery. We're trying to fool the brain into thinking a few ounces of plastic is actually two tons of metal. Expand Yeah, I guess it depends on how one views things. I have often thought of the idea of making a full size model (not that I will but just toyed with the idea) and I like to think about hot-rodding and customising in the same way as modelbuilding. One has a vision, an idea that is hopefully translated in to something that one can touch and look at. It is all just a way of getting a release for a need to create something. A fake patina is a way of expressing something and building a rat rod is just the same as building a traditional hot rod or indeed a show rod. It will never be to everyones taste but is just the way the world works. We have a saying for that and translated it goes like this: The taste is like the butt, it's divided.
SfanGoch Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 6:57 PM, bobthehobbyguy said: I understand about the airbags. Still looks goofy to me. At least on the Citroën the edges of the wheels are aligned with the rims. May not be practical to drive it that low but it doesn't look goofy. Expand Citroen produced this system to address the numerous complaints from vertically challenged people who experienced difficulty entering and exiting their fine line of clown cars.
Richard Bartrop Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 7:34 PM, Atmobil said: Yeah, I guess it depends on how one views things. I have often thought of the idea of making a full size model (not that I will but just toyed with the idea) and I like to think about hot-rodding and customising in the same way as modelbuilding. One has a vision, an idea that is hopefully translated in to something that one can touch and look at. It is all just a way of getting a release for a need to create something. A fake patina is a way of expressing something and building a rat rod is just the same as building a traditional hot rod or indeed a show rod. It will never be to everyones taste but is just the way the world works. We have a saying for that and translated it goes like this: The taste is like the butt, it's divided. Expand That, I can't disagree with, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think this was a trend that can't die fast enough.
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