Atlantis Models has bought another lot of tooling/molds.....

[Tom Geiger]

Oh no! They found the motherlode of lost Palmer tooling!  ??

[kurth]

Going down the JoHan rabbit hole, does any one remember A new company that announced a re-issue of the Johan 73 ish olds cutlass, and then it never happened?  If it is johan tools, it will be a grand slam for Atlantis. There is a thread elsewhere in this forum about a visit to Johan, which showed the molds on shelves, so maybe we can compare this picture to that thread to see if it is possible these are Johan molds?

Like someone else guessed, maybe these are testors/hawk/Union/ etc molds . But I thought Round 2 had all the testors stuff?  It sure is fun to speculate and play detective.  The business side of the hobby is very interesting to me. 

[niteowl7710]

  On 7/11/2020 at 6:03 PM, kurth said:

Going down the JoHan rabbit hole, does any one remember A new company that announced a re-issue of the Johan 73 ish olds cutlass, and then it never happened?  If it is johan tools, it will be a grand slam for Atlantis. There is a thread elsewhere in this forum about a visit to Johan, which showed the molds on shelves, so maybe we can compare this picture to that thread to see if it is possible these are Johan molds?

Like someone else guessed, maybe these are testors/hawk/Union/ etc molds . But I thought Round 2 had all the testors stuff?  It sure is fun to speculate and play detective.  The business side of the hobby is very interesting to me. 

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Testors never made anything, it was all kits that were repackaged from other manufacturers. The 90s Testors kits were tooled up by Lindberg for the Testors label and all of that along with the Hawk, Pyro & Palmer stuff that Lindberg owned is over at Round2.

[Dave Van]

  On 7/11/2020 at 1:29 AM, Tom Geiger said:

There was some Johan tooling that Moebius was supposed to have...

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I;d be happy if Atlantis picked up the stuff Moebius was looking at. When I got test shots and they talked about new interiors I was thrilled. Then...dropped. All the JoHan stuff that was in storage needed work.....from cleaning and tuning to half the kit missing. But some of the stuff would be GREAT to have back and COULD serve Atlantis well.....just have to see....Atlantis plays it very close!! 

[Dave Van]

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Edited July 11, 2020 by Dave Van

[kurth]

  On 7/11/2020 at 6:09 PM, niteowl7710 said:

Testors never made anything, it was all kits that were repackaged from other manufacturers. The 90s Testors kits were tooled up by Lindberg for the Testors label and all of that along with the Hawk, Pyro & Palmer stuff that Lindberg owned is over at Round2.

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Right, I meant the whole Testors  collection of molds from various sources, I should have been more clear. 

[Tom Geiger]

The Johan tools that are out there are the ones Okey got with his purchase of the parts hoard.  He put out a brochure of kits that would be coming, so he must’ve had those tools. Casey posted the brochure here once..

The stuff he did manage to produce was the 59 Rambler wagon with three full decal sheets that were very well done. (This is one Moebius had since Model King announced he was doing it) He also did the snap version of the Chrysler Turbine car. His version of the Plymouth police car.. there were opinions both ways that he repopped the kit or that he assembled those from the parts hoard. There was rumor he was ready to do the 59 Dodge, but it never came about.

I’m also assuming the AMX and Scrambler tools are intact since they were last done by Seville for Testors. 

The stillborn IMC had talked about the 75?  Olds. Okey’s brochure listed ratrod versions of the 1930s Mercedes and Caddy so assume some version of those exist.

Others will know more...

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[Dave Van]

A few things Okey showed for the 'new' JoHan......I was doing some work for him at the time.

[keyser]

3rd crate on left, 2068. Johan 2068 is 68 Ambassador convertible?

Dave, I remember those pics, no idea where I saw them. Cool stuff. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by keyser

[Dale Gribble]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:17 PM, Dave Van said:

A few things Okey showed for the 'new' JoHan......I was doing some work for him at the time.

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Oh man, what I would give for a few of those

[Snake45]

  On 7/11/2020 at 6:57 PM, Tom Geiger said:

I’m also assuming the AMX and Scrambler tools are intact since they were last done by Seville for Testors. 

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IIRC, Testor also had the '71 Cuda and Comet Pro Street in that series, so if the AMX and Scrambler still exist, maybe those do too. 

[Luc Janssens]

The Ertl agricultural tools!

Just guessing no insider info here

Or maybe Glencoe?

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[Dale Gribble]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:26 PM, Snake45 said:

IIRC, Testor also had the '71 Cuda and Comet Pro Street in that series, so if the AMX and Scrambler still exist, maybe those do too. 

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Those a were all produced at the same time for testors , so one would assume they are out there and useable . 

[Luc Janssens]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:33 PM, Dale Gribble said:

Those a were all produced at the same time for testors , so one would assume they are out there and useable . 

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Wasn't the Olds 442 also run in tne Testors HSO series?

[Luc Janssens]

  On 7/11/2020 at 5:52 PM, Tom Geiger said:

Oh no! They found the motherlode of lost Palmer tooling!  ??

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[Casey]

  On 7/11/2020 at 6:03 PM, kurth said:

Going down the JoHan rabbit hole, does any one remember A new company that announced a re-issue of the Johan 73 ish olds cutlass, and then it never happened?

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[keyser]

Casey, master of Boolean searches. LOL

[High octane]

  On 7/11/2020 at 3:34 PM, 1972coronet said:

If there's a grip of Jo-Han stuff in there --- and it's restorable or in decent condition --- I'm going to die !  

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Don't hold your breath on that.

[kurth]

Thanks for posting that topic Casey. That is the company I was thinking of. Too bad they ran into an issue which prevented them from releasing the kits. I would have purchased a Cutlass. 

 

To keep the thread on topic, I guess we will just need to wait a few days for the Atlantis announcement.

[Plowboy]

  On 7/11/2020 at 5:10 PM, Rob Hall said:

Those Revell Parts Packs were a dud when they were last reissued, weren’t they? 

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Yeah. They were almost giving them away on ebay. I bought a four pack set for $5 plus shipping.

[Dave Van]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:19 PM, keyser said:

3rd crate on left, 2068. Johan 2068 is 68 Ambassador convertible?

Dave, I remember those pics, no idea where I saw them. Cool stuff. 

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Those were taken at RCHTA in Chicago. These are not mine as I was using a film SLR at the time and mine were to dark....so I use these. These tools were ready to run back then...they didn't happen for reasons we don't need to go into. 

Side not is those tools look a little small for a 1/25 body mold....we'll see. 

[Dale Gribble]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:37 PM, Luc Janssens said:

Wasn't the Olds 442 also run in tne Testors HSO series?

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You are correct . And all had those god awful die cast wheels included . I have a couple of them on the shelf still. 

[Dale Gribble]

  On 7/11/2020 at 8:54 PM, Dave Van said:

These tools were ready to run back then...they didn't happen for reasons we don't need to go into. 

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Those are the stories that make the hobby interesting..... I’d love to hear it .....

[avidinha]

Would love to have some of the old Johan Caddys re-released.

[Mike999]

  On 7/11/2020 at 7:32 PM, Luc Janssens said:

The Ertl agricultural tools!

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I wish!  But somebody in here said the ERTL company still owns the tooling for those tractor and farm equipment kits.  They were not part of the deal when Round 2 acquired AMT, and stayed with ERTL. I'm inclined to believe that. The last sighting of those kits was in the 1990's, when AMT/ERTL re-issued the John Deere farm tractor and the Deere 310 Backhoe.  Whoever that expert was, please speak up!

Here's a LONG thread from 2009 about the mysterious Jo-Han molds.  One problem mentioned: they only fit in Jo-Han's molding machines, which were ancient and unlike any other company's machines.  Rumor says both AMT and Revell considered buying the Jo-Han molds, but decided they would be too expensive to refurbish.  The thread is full of rumor, speculation and ancient history.  And a lot of fun!