Well it’s finally announced.?

[StevenGuthmiller]

And I read somewhere that electricity prices in Europe are up 300%.

Of course it's all blamed on Putin, but I thought most countries in Europe were going green anyway, so what's with the dependence on Russian oil?

Throw up a few more wind generators and solar panels and you should be good, right?

 

 

 

 

Steve

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 minute ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

And I read somewhere that electricity prices in Europe are up 300%.

Energy costs in Europe and Great Britain are through the roof across the board. Something like 80% of homes in GB are heated with gas, and there's very real concern there won't be enough to get them through the winter, and if it's available, it'll cost close to 4X what it was last year.

The entirely unrealistic rush to de-fossilize and de-nuclearize the energy sector, and a dependence on foreign sources, is about to bite many of the world's "experts" in the butt.

Gee, I hate to say "I told you so"...

[stitchdup]

my electricity had doubled in price once already this year, and its more than doubling in october. All my electricity is from renewables but i still have to pay the fossil fuel rates. I was paying more a week for electric in march than for rent so i dont know whats going to happen over winter when i put my heaating on again. but picking a new leader is seemingly more important than people freezing and startving if you see how our gov are acting. The one candidate actually boasted he took money from poor areas to give to the rich and thats who we have deciding who gets to survive winter. Doesn't matter what side they're on, all them are absolutely useless at fixing problems but plenty good at shouting look at me

[Snake45]

[bobthehobbyguy]

Actually electric cars will be a passing fad.

Elon Musk is secretly breeding dinosaurs for moving heavy loads. In addition he has successfully built a prototype flintstone mobile. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, bobthehobbyguy said:

Actually electric cars will be a passing fad...

Actually, the way things are going, civilization may be a passing fad.

Unless people who do know something replace all the leaders who think they know everything, a lot of what used to be the "developed" world is going to be shivering in the dark, eating their bugs raw.

[bobthehobbyguy]

Nah the matrix will crash and then reboot and nobody will be wiser.

[Tabbysdaddy]

I hope they're working on Soylent Green so we don't starve to death.

[bobthehobbyguy]

Shhh. Nobody is suppose to know about tha.t

[Oldcarfan27]

5 hours ago, bobthehobbyguy said:

Actually electric cars will be a passing fad.

Elon Musk is secretly breeding dinosaurs for moving heavy loads. In addition he has successfully built a prototype flintstone mobile. 

[keyser]

[Ace-Garageguy]

4 hours ago, Tabbysdaddy said:

I hope they're working on Soylent Green so we don't starve to death.

Nah. The UN thinks you should be getting ready to eat bugs:  https://thenewamerican.com/un-let-them-eat-bugs/

"As such, according to the UN study, “alternative solutions” to conventional livestock and feed sources “urgently need to be found.” The consumption of insects — formally known as “entomophagy” — “therefore contributes positively to the environment and to health and livelihoods,” the UN FAO said in its report. It claimed, among other things, that there are numerous “environmental benefits” to rearing insects for food — especially if the bugs are fed human and animal waste. Among the potential benefits: reduced “greenhouse gases” and fewer resources needed to produce insect-based food."

"Of course, the UN knows the idea of eating bugs sounds repulsive to most Westerners — it admits as much in the report. The global body and its proponents, though, already have a plan to deal with that. In the UN FAO report, created in partnership with Wageningen University in the Netherlands, the planetary body outlined a giant propaganda campaign that would include “tailored media communication strategies and educational programs that address the disgust factor.”

Edited September 5, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Bugatti Fan]

Career politicians.    Never had real job where their decisions could make it break a company.

Interesting to read about some of our UK top politicians present and past. Either elites from private schools like Eton, then Oxbridge, or past diehards that were constantly taking part in protests.

Local government. More of same. Just hike up taxes to pay for their inefficiency. My wife went to work at a local council office. Could not bear working with the amount of dead wood that our local taxes were paying for, and large committees taking forever to make any decision. Said that it most of them went to work in the private sector they would get a salutary shock by actually having to do a proper day's work!

Electric Vehicles.  Cart before the horse as far as the current infrastructure goes. Let's see!

Edited September 5, 2022 by Bugatti Fan

[stitchdup]

man you guys in the usa already eat loads of bugs, thats why a lot of your food produce isn't imported to europe because the bug count is too high. Your fda really need to update their food safety guidance from the 1920s to the 2020s. Some of your foods can be 2% bugs and be still be safe to sell

[keyser]

Deep frying takes care of bugs  ???‍♂️
Never have seen bugs here for many decades. Decent grocery chains help. 
 

[Oldcarfan27]

5 hours ago, stitchdup said:

man you guys in the usa already eat loads of bugs, thats why a lot of your food produce isn't imported to europe because the bug count is too high. Your fda really need to update their food safety guidance from the 1920s to the 2020s. Some of your foods can be 2% bugs and be still be safe to sell

But we don't willingly eat snails either! ??

1 hour ago, keyser said:

Deep frying takes care of bugs  ???‍♂️
Never have seen bugs here for many decades. Decent grocery chains help. 
 

They also say that people eat bugs when they sleep. Not too sure of that, I've never woken up with bug parts in my mouth!

7 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

"As such, according to the UN study, “alternative solutions” to conventional livestock and feed sources “urgently need to be found.” The consumption of insects — formally known as “entomophagy” — “therefore contributes positively to the environment and to health and livelihoods,” the UN FAO said in its report. It claimed, among other things, that there are numerous “environmental benefits” to rearing insects for food — especially if the bugs are fed human and animal waste. Among the potential benefits: reduced “greenhouse gases” and fewer resources needed to produce insect-based food."

And then, once there's a shortage, what would we do with the disease control and ecological balance that insects provide? Everything is put on this earth for a reason!

Did these ecological elites learn ANYTHING at Harvard?

[iamsuperdan]

A thread about the rise of the electric muscle car is now semi-political and discussing theories about food shortages and eating bugs.

 

Seriously.

 

 

Keep it to the original topic please.

Move the bug recipes to OT.

[StevenGuthmiller]

7 hours ago, Bugatti Fan said:

Said that it most of them went to work in the private sector they would get a salutary shock by actually having to do a proper day's work!

A friend of mine who used to own and run a small grocery store jokingly used this line when he said it was time to let an employee go.

It would probably apply with these people in nearly every circumstance.

 

"I don't know how we would ever get along without you around here, but starting tomorrow, we're going to find out". 

 

 

 

Steve

[89AKurt]

13 hours ago, Tabbysdaddy said:

I hope they're working on Soylent Green so we don't starve to death.

~cough~

[89AKurt]

1 hour ago, iamsuperdan said:

A thread about the rise of the electric muscle car is now semi-political and discussing theories about food shortages and eating bugs.

 

Seriously.

 

 

Keep it to the original topic please.

Move the bug recipes to OT.

I haven't been on the forum for awhile, feel like I'm missing out now. ?  Watch out for abusing the word "semi-", seems like Truckers are getting roped into topics not related with them. ?

[1972coronet]

On a related note: here's an excerpt - almost complete - from Joan Didion's The White Album [1979] whose chapter is titled The Bureaucrats [1976] 

I have edited some of it for clarity

This chapter pertains to Cal Trans [et alia] Los Angeles headquarters at 120 S. Spring St. 

 

The Santa Monica [ Freeway -- I-10's westernmost portion] normally carried 240,000 cars and trucks every day. These 240,000 cars and trucks normally carried 260,000 people. What Caltrans described as its ultimate goal on the Santa Monica was to carry the same 260,000 people, “but in 7,800 fewer, or 232,000 vehicles.” The figure “232,000” had a visionary precision to it that did not automatically create confidence, especially since the only effect so far had been to disrupt traffic throughout the Los Angeles basin, triple the number of daily accidents on the Santa Monica, prompt the initiation of two lawsuits against Caltrans, and cause large numbers of Los Angeles County residents to behave, most uncharacteristically, as an ignited and conscious proletariat. Citizen guerrillas splashed paint and scattered nails in the Diamond Lanes. Diamond Lane maintenance crews expressed fear of hurled objects. Down at 120 South Spring the architects of the Diamond Lane had taken to regarding “the media” as the architects of their embarrassment, and Caltrans statements in the press had been cryptic and contradictory, reminiscent only of old communiques out of Vietnam.

To understand what was going on it is perhaps necessary to have participated in the freeway experience, which is the only secular communion Los Angeles has. Mere driving on the freeway is in no way the same as participating in it. Anyone can “drive” on the freeway, and many people with no vocation for it do, hesitating here and resisting there, losing the rhythm of the lane change, thinking about where they came from and where they are going. Actual participants think only about where they are. Actual participation requires a total surrender, a concentration so intense as to seem a kind of narcosis, a rapture-of-the-freeway. The mind goes clean. The rhythm takes over. A distortion of time occurs, the same distortion that characterizes the instant before an accident. It takes only a few seconds to get off the Santa Monica Freeway at National-Overland, which is a difficult exit requiring the driver to cross two new lanes of traffic streamed in from the San Diego Freeway, but those few seconds always seem to me the longest part of the trip. The moment is dangerous. The exhilaration is in doing it. “As you acquire the special skills involved,” Reyner Banham observed in an extraordinary chapter about the freeways in his 1971 Los Angeles: The Architecture of Four Ecologies, “the freeways become a special way of being alive … the extreme concentration required in Los Angeles seems to bring on a state of heightened awareness that some locals find mystical.”

Indeed some locals do, and some non locals too. Reducing the number of lone souls careering around the East-West Corridor in a state of mechanized rapture may or may not have seemed socially desirable, but what it was definitely not going to seem was easy. “We’re only seeing an initial period of unfamiliarity,” I was assured the day I visited Caltrans. I was talking to a woman named Eleanor Wood and she was thoroughly and professionally grounded in the diction of “planning” and it did not seem likely that I could interest her in considering the freeway as regional mystery. “Any time you try to rearrange people’s daily habits, they’re act to react impetuously. All this project requires is a certain rearrangement of people’s daily planning. That’s really all we want.”

It occurred to me that a certain rearrangement of people’s daily planning might seem, in less rarefied air than is breathed at 120 South Spring, rather a great dealt to want, but so impenetrable was the sense of higher social purpose there in the Operations Center that I did not express this reservation.

[Tabbysdaddy]

9 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Nah. The UN thinks you should be getting ready to eat bugs:  https://thenewamerican.com/un-let-them-eat-bugs/

"As such, according to the UN study, “alternative solutions” to conventional livestock and feed sources “urgently need to be found.” The consumption of insects — formally known as “entomophagy” — “therefore contributes positively to the environment and to health and livelihoods,” the UN FAO said in its report. It claimed, among other things, that there are numerous “environmental benefits” to rearing insects for food — especially if the bugs are fed human and animal waste. Among the potential benefits: reduced “greenhouse gases” and fewer resources needed to produce insect-based food."

"Of course, the UN knows the idea of eating bugs sounds repulsive to most Westerners — it admits as much in the report. The global body and its proponents, though, already have a plan to deal with that. In the UN FAO report, created in partnership with Wageningen University in the Netherlands, the planetary body outlined a giant propaganda campaign that would include “tailored media communication strategies and educational programs that address the disgust factor.”

I'm more of a cat person. The Chinese type of cat person.

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 hour ago, iamsuperdan said:

A thread about the rise of the electric muscle car is now semi-political and discussing theories about food shortages and eating bugs.

While you have a valid point, of course, digression in any human conversation is inevitable.

It's also inevitable that digressions will involve closely related topics, which these are.

The common thread is that, globally, we have "leadership" that's never made an honest buck by working for it, probably don't understand how electricity is generated anyway, how an ICE engine functions, or much of anything related to food production, but are intent on telling all the rest of us that we need to completely rethink our approach to transportation, turn our heat off in the winter and our AC off in the summer, and prepare to eat bugs because sheep and cows pollute too much...all in the name of "Saving the Planet".

But do you really think the folks trying to shove this baloney (bug-based, of course) down our throats are going to be giving up their personal jets, limos, caviar, steaks, and 24/7 indoor climate control?

Think again.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy
CLARITY

[1972coronet]

The media is the propaganda machine of the various worldwide governments, some more blatant in their M.O. than others. It's called Manufacturing Consent (title of Chomsky's 1988 book), and certainly isn't exclusive to ex cathedra war consent, but likewise the argumentum ad populum. 

[Oldcarfan27]

Seriously, how many times do topics derail on this forum? There's only so much that can be said about a PC Challenger that looks like a Tylenol. 

Correction: I just went back to the beginning. The comments have actually been pretty consistent through all 11 pages. Everybody has been pretty well behaved and thoughts have been shared across the board - with no riots encountered. Well done guys.

I'd say that's a record! ✌

Edited September 7, 2022 by Oldcarfan27