Round 2 next year

[niteowl7710]

2 hours ago, tim boyd said:

Interesting update on this....according to the show organizer, the NNL Motor City yesterday added another 20 tables at the last minute, taking the total to 380 vendor tables.  I asked John Boettger (sp?) who sells at both this and the Atlanta area NNL type show and he said that the Motor City event is much larger from his perspective (as a vendor). 

On the other hand, the NNL model car display was a little light this year, seems to me, and although my memory from 20+ years ago is pretty foggy, I recall the 2001 NNL South (I think that is what it was called back then) had notably more model car projects even back then compared to what I saw here yesterday.   

One more comment....in the past I typically timed my arrival at this event at 1/2 hour after the show opened and could pretty much could walk right in without waiting.   I arrived the at the same time yesterday and saw a line snaking around the entire hallways of the facility.  Reminded me of the NNL East when I went there in 2019.  Someone told me that there was still a (short) line to get in 90 minutes after the show opened.  Attendance was clearly at an all-time high from what I could tell.    

My take bottom line?  This show is growing by leaps and bounds, and from a vendor perspective it is in that "second tier' I mentioned above.  But again, to your point, the model car display portion of the show has yet to attract the sort of national awareness and attendance compared to the shows you mention.  In the future I hope more automotive modelers get the message that this is a growing show and is not be missed going forward...TIM 

I love John, I've been buying from him since I was a teenager, and he runs my local hobby shop. I've probably spent more time with him in hobby related settings than nearly anyone else, so I will say he looks at model shows from purely a vendor prospective.  So it makes me wonder if DAAM is getting more General Admission Floor Traffic, or people are more mentally focused on buying stuff in the vendor area than some other shows.  It is pretty much the last show of the year North of I-40 until the Spring.  John regularly sets up at 1:1 Autoramas, World of Wheels, et al rather than going to comparably distanced Model Shows because he sells more stuff at the 1:1 car events.  

Atlanta, NNL East, the old NNL in Toledo all seem like social functions that someone happens to be holding a model show during, rather than a MODEL CONTEST that attracts people to attend.

[spkgibsonfirebird]

1969 Torino Cobra hardtop along with the '68 Torino Pace Car with hardtop, or convertible options. These are long overdue. 

[Danno]

On 11/10/2023 at 7:06 AM, Sledsel said:

Every time there is a round 2 question of what would you like re released the 62 and 67 Galaxies are my response.

If the '67 returns, I am sure it will be a promo type but I'll deal with that as long as the '66 Galaxie comes out every so often to get a nicer chassis.

 

Personally, I'd much rather see a 1968 Galaxie (or Custom) brought back.  But that's just me.

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Danno

[Sledsel]

On 11/23/2023 at 12:32 AM, Danno said:

 

Personally, I'd much rather see a 1968 Galaxie (or Custom) brought back.  But that's just me.

 

I'd love to see it too! Both grills please!

[charlie8575]

What an upcoming selection!

Basically, just about one of each. The '64 Malibu looks really good, and I'll have some paint from other projects ready to use on it.

Charger Pursuit...definitely. Might build a New Hampshire State Police cruiser. Worcester (Mass.) bought a bunch of them last year, and I think they're pretty sharp with their graphics package.

Pending reconstruction, I'm seriously toying with an ex-police Charger with Hemi, and preferably Hemi AWD. My poor Crown Vic is on its last legs at 327k miles, and is in need of a major overhaul and reconstruction, especially after an accident earlier this fall where I got side-swiped pretty badly, and it did some serious sheet metal damage.

The Demon, Warlock and both Ford trucks are on the radar.

For ideas....a new '64 Chevelle wagon would be nice. The 2-door wagon would be cool. A 1964-'65 convertible would be fun, as well.

The '66 Skylark just needs to happen now. And it would serve as a basis for a 1967 GS 340, which would be pretty awesome, and finally give us a small-block Buick.

How about an all-new, not-messed up 1967 GTO, or fixing the missing parts issues? Other idea: A Tempest/LeMans Sprint with the OHC-6 would be really cool. The Tempest/LeMans in either 1966 or '67, maybe both, had different taillights than the GTO (sort of like a squished "D" instead of the louvered linear design), and scratch-building those would be nightmarish.

I would still like to see some of the early annuals cloned with notable upgrades, for example, the clear lenses and more accurate chassis. I'm fine with curbside.

Charlie Larkin

[Luc Janssens]

3 hours ago, charlie8575 said:

How about an all-new, not-messed up 1967 GTO, or fixing the missing parts issues? Other idea: A Tempest/LeMans Sprint with the OHC-6 would be really cool. The Tempest/LeMans in either 1966 or '67, maybe both, had different taillights than the GTO (sort of like a squished "D" instead of the louvered linear design), and scratch-building those would be nightmarish.

I would still like to see some of the early annuals cloned with notable upgrades, for example, the clear lenses and more accurate chassis. I'm fine with curbside.

Charlie Larkin

Maybe as a convertible first then, to set it apart from the old tool.

[slusher]

Round 2 has took off I’m sure they will surprise us some more in 2024!

[chryslerjunkandstuff]

On 12/7/2023 at 2:23 AM, charlie8575 said:

a 1967 GS 340, which would be pretty awesome

Other idea: A Tempest/LeMans Sprint with the OHC-6 would be really cool.

BOTH of these are excellent ideas!

So is the reissueing of the '68 Ford Torino Pace Car convertible..

And I'll say it again :

If the '58 Belvedere were to either be corrected or turned into a proper '58 Fury..

OR..

Better still, corrected and turned into either a '57 Belvedere or '57 Fury..

I personally would buy 3 entire cases of that kit, maybe more, and I swear, that ISN'T an exaggeration!

[mikos]

How about converting the Sweathogs Dream Machine back into a stock Grand Prix?

[charlie8575]

On 12/8/2023 at 4:37 PM, mikos said:

How about converting the Sweathogs Dream Machine back into a stock Grand Prix?

From what I've read, it would be very, very difficult, if not altogether impossible.

The cloned/upgraded tooling would be the better choice if a replica of the old kit is desired.

Easiest solution: the 1970 Monte Carlo is the same chassis as the Grand Prix. Use the underpinnings, with a new body/interior/chrome/engine. And the Monte is a very nice kit.

Charlie Larkin

[Robberbaron]

58 minutes ago, charlie8575 said:

...Easiest solution: the 1970 Monte Carlo is the same chassis as the Grand Prix. Use the underpinnings, with a new body/interior/chrome/engine. And the Monte is a very nice kit...

Unfortunately, no.  The '69-'72 GP's had a unique 118" wheelbase.

Aside from the butchered body, I believe the rest of the kit remained fairly intact.  So theoretically if the tooling was in hand, they could clone the factory-stock body and chrome.

This is all academic though.  I seem to recall Steve Goldman commenting that they had not found that one in Round2's tooling inventory.

[mikemodeler]

 

Niteowl7710-

Atlanta, NNL East, the old NNL in Toledo all seem like social functions that someone happens to be holding a model show during, rather than a MODEL CONTEST that attracts people to attend.

 

Have you attended the Atlanta ACME show in recent years? If you had, you would note that there is quite the draw in both quality and quantity of builders. This year's event was in a new location (much larger) and was packed with vendors and model builders. I'd suggest you at least attend an event before commenting on what it is like.

[oldcarfan]

I’d love to see Round 2 pick a year, and clone some of the missing Craftsman kits from that year. Say for 1964, they could do the Plymouth Barracuda and Valiant to go with the ones still around like the Comet Caliente and the Galaxy.  Maybe they could restore or clone all the ones they turned into stock cars too?

Edited December 11, 2023 by oldcarfan

[charlie8575]

6 hours ago, Robberbaron said:

Unfortunately, no.  The '69-'72 GP's had a unique 118" wheelbase.

Aside from the butchered body, I believe the rest of the kit remained fairly intact.  So theoretically if the tooling was in hand, they could clone the factory-stock body and chrome.

This is all academic though.  I seem to recall Steve Goldman commenting that they had not found that one in Round2's tooling inventory.

Interesting. I always thought they shared the underpinnings, at least that's what I remember reading someplace.

Guess not.

If that's the case, then it's (new) tool time.

Charlie Larkin

[Robberbaron]

1 hour ago, charlie8575 said:

Interesting. I always thought they shared the underpinnings, at least that's what I remember reading someplace.

Guess not.

If that's the case, then it's (new) tool time.

Charlie Larkin

Aside from the stretched wheelbase, I believe the '69 to '72 GP chassis components were standard GM A-body.  So I would say that they do share underpinnings such as front/rear suspension etc.

With the '73 redesign, the Grand Prix switched to the same 116" wheelbase as the Monte Carlo.

[niteowl7710]

17 hours ago, mikemodeler said:

 

Niteowl7710-

Atlanta, NNL East, the old NNL in Toledo all seem like social functions that someone happens to be holding a model show during, rather than a MODEL CONTEST that attracts people to attend.

 

Have you attended the Atlanta ACME show in recent years? If you had, you would note that there is quite the draw in both quality and quantity of builders. This year's event was in a new location (much larger) and was packed with vendors and model builders. I'd suggest you at least attend an event before commenting on what it is like.

I do have to appreciate your unilateral decisions of where I've been. Is this ability only scrying into the past, or do you also have the power of far sight to tell me where I'll be going in the future?

My point about the three shows is that people attend them over and over and over again because they are the mass gatherings of their best friends that they most likely only see that *ONE* time each year. So sure there is a model contest taking place, and yes the work on the table is of excellent quality and quantity - thats how these individual shows become the "must attend" events in the first place. But to someone going to ACME for 20-25+ years it's a social gathering first and foremost because there are model contests all over the South if you just want to build a model and enter a contest.

[GMP440]

16 hours ago, oldcarfan said:

I’d love to see Round 2 pick a year, and clone some of the missing Craftsman kits from that year. Say for 1964, they could do the Plymouth Barracuda and Valiant to go with the ones still around like the Comet Caliente and the Galaxy.  Maybe they could restore or clone all the ones they turned into stock cars too?

Good idea , but the direction Round 2 seems to be taking is to focus more on kits that builders have been requesting for a long time;  ie; 68 Coronet, 71 Dodge Demon, Time Machine Chevelle AWB drag car, 60-63 Ford F-100 trucks, etc; which have been  recently released or slated for release very soon.  Just speculation; but maybe Round 2 will clone Craftsman kits from certain year time periods once they get through requested subjects.  

[GMP440]

39 minutes ago, niteowl7710 said:

I do have to appreciate your unilateral decisions of where I've been. Is this ability only scrying into the past, or do you also have the power of far sight to tell me where I'll be going in the future?

My point about the three shows is that people attend them over and over and over again because they are the mass gatherings of their best friends that they most likely only see that *ONE* time each year. So sure there is a model contest taking place, and yes the work on the table is of excellent quality and quantity - thats how these individual shows become the "must attend" events in the first place. But to someone going to ACME for 20-25+ years it's a social gathering first and foremost because there are model contests all over the South if you just want to build a model and enter a contest.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by GMP440

[GMP440]

18 hours ago, mikemodeler said:

 

Niteowl7710-

Atlanta, NNL East, the old NNL in Toledo all seem like social functions that someone happens to be holding a model show during, rather than a MODEL CONTEST that attracts people to attend.

 

Have you attended the Atlanta ACME show in recent years? If you had, you would note that there is quite the draw in both quality and quantity of builders. This year's event was in a new location (much larger) and was packed with vendors and model builders. I'd suggest you at least attend an event before commenting on what it is like.

 

On 11/13/2023 at 12:39 PM, niteowl7710 said:

I love John, I've been buying from him since I was a teenager, and he runs my local hobby shop. I've probably spent more time with him in hobby related settings than nearly anyone else, so I will say he looks at model shows from purely a vendor prospective.  So it makes me wonder if DAAM is getting more General Admission Floor Traffic, or people are more mentally focused on buying stuff in the vendor area than some other shows.  It is pretty much the last show of the year North of I-40 until the Spring.  John regularly sets up at 1:1 Autoramas, World of Wheels, et al rather than going to comparably distanced Model Shows because he sells more stuff at the 1:1 car events.  

Atlanta, NNL East, the old NNL in Toledo all seem like social functions that someone happens to be holding a model show during, rather than a MODEL CONTEST that attracts people to attend.

I do agree with you that the shows and swap meets seem like social gatherings.  Nothing negative about that.  There's more to just the contest and swap meet, and yes it does become a social function.

[mikemodeler]

5 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

I do have to appreciate your unilateral decisions of where I've been. Is this ability only scrying into the past, or do you also have the power of far sight to tell me where I'll be going in the future?

My point about the three shows is that people attend them over and over and over again because they are the mass gatherings of their best friends that they most likely only see that *ONE* time each year. So sure there is a model contest taking place, and yes the work on the table is of excellent quality and quantity - thats how these individual shows become the "must attend" events in the first place. But to someone going to ACME for 20-25+ years it's a social gathering first and foremost because there are model contests all over the South if you just want to build a model and enter a contest.

So a couple of observations.....

1. Your view of the ACME NNL is based on other's comments and postings and not your actual attendance, am I right? So again, I ask, why must you comment on something for which you know little about?

2. Yes, people go to the same shows over and over again because they get to see friends and reconnect while sharing a mutual interest. That is basis of what socializing is about. Is it wrong to want to attend a gathering with people of whom you may be acquainted and enjoy a hobby? Apparently in your book it is.

3. Whatever it is you are trying to accomplish by mocking those that go to these events, not knowing if they are also attending other regional events, only shows your ignorance.

 

Whatever makes you feel like you know more than the rest of us, keep believing!

[Xingu]

Exchange numbers so you guys can complain and moan to each other in private. The rest of us don't need to hear it. If it continues you will be removed from the board, then you guys can meet up at a show.

[Jordan White]

8 minutes ago, Xingu said:

Exchange numbers so you guys can complain and moan to each other in private

[mikos]

On 12/10/2023 at 8:37 PM, Robberbaron said:

Aside from the stretched wheelbase, I believe the '69 to '72 GP chassis components were standard GM A-body.  So I would say that they do share underpinnings such as front/rear suspension etc.

With the '73 redesign, the Grand Prix switched to the same 116" wheelbase as the Monte Carlo.

Actually, no.  The redesigned ‘73 Grand Prix still had the unique (slightly longer) 118” wheelbase of the ‘69-‘72 models. When they were downsized in ‘78 with the rest of the intermediates, they then shared the same 108” wheelbase with the rest of the GM A-body variants.

[iBorg]

I keep hoping Round2 will release a couple of drag racers or other race cars each year. While I have a mint 1/20 STP Turbine and a built up to rebuild, it would be great to see it or the MPC McLarens reissued. The MPC Camaro and Dodge Dart funny cars haven't been available since the early 70's if not late 60's. In that same vein, I'd love to have some pro stocks to buy. The last one available was the Mustang II.

[Robberbaron]

On 12/10/2023 at 10:37 PM, Robberbaron said:

With the '73 redesign, the Grand Prix switched to the same 116" wheelbase as the Monte Carlo.

 

2 hours ago, mikos said:

Actually, no.  The redesigned ‘73 Grand Prix still had the unique (slightly longer) 118” wheelbase of the ‘69-‘72 models...

Huh, wonder why all the '73-'77 Grand Prix brochures list the wheelbase as 116"?  Guess GM couldn't figure that out...?