Cool Hand Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 hours ago, TransAmMike said: Definately a great finish...you didn't mention what paint it is. My bad, same as I always use Tamiya TS-14 Black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSheep214 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 23 hours ago, robdebie said: Try the 'Donn Yost' or 'Andy X' method! I found it some months ago, and it worked extremely well for me. Here are some test pieces - so far it worked with all brands of model enamel that I tried. The method is simple and easy, give it a try! Rob Andy X... the idiot nut who bragged about scoring a huge vintage model car stash on YouTube won’t sell? I don’t even listen to him anymore since he acts like his method is better than everyone else’s. Arrogant POS. As one poster mentioned, he’s using acrylics. Any orange peel I’ve encountered (3 or 4 times myself) has always been with enamels. Never acrylics. A number of factors causes orange peel. Climate, spraying too thick, rattle cans not mixed enough, etc... My issues had always been climate when I spray outside during warm weather and/or spraying too thick through rattle cans. I’ve quickly learned to slow down and spray in several light coats. Let each light coat dry between coats until you achieved your desired coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransAmMike Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Well as I have said, my acrylic in the form of craft and Createx isn't really the issue. I just have to find a clear that I can apply without or with minimal orange peel. I have never used the actual model acrylics. I there actually one that dries with a gloss finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollySipper Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, TransAmMike said: I just have to find a clear that I can apply without or with minimal orange peel. Mike, man, I like DupliColor perfect match clear. I make close, fast passes with the spray can and hardly ever get any peel in it.... As long as your primer works with the clear, you shouldn't have much issue. The craft paints don't make a very good barrier coat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TransAmMike said: Well as I have said, my acrylic in the form of craft and Createx isn't really the issue. I just have to find a clear that I can apply without or with minimal orange peel. I have never used the actual model acrylics. I there actually one that dries with a gloss finish? Mike, I haven't been using it lately and maybe I mentioned it already but I always in the past had good luck with gloss and no orange peel with the Rustoleum lacquer in the green can with the big chair on the front. I believe it's non acrylic lacquer. It buffs up easy too if you need to. 1 hour ago, JollySipper said: Mike, man, I like DupliColor perfect match clear. I make close, fast passes with the spray can and hardly ever get any peel in it.... As long as your primer works with the clear, you shouldn't have much issue. The craft paints don't make a very good barrier coat... I suspect it will go over craft paints fine. I know the green can lacquer with the big chair on the front from Rustoleum does and with Stynylrez primer under it. I personally have found craft paints to barrier fine against lacquer clears thus far, better than some solvent paints really. Admittedly not having shot the Duplicolor clear over them but other lacquers have been fine. Edited January 9, 2022 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuces wild Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I still have a bottle or 2 of Boyd gloss black that I'd like to try that 50/50 mix on a Revell '69 Nova body. Looks like he air brushed directly on plastic without primer... That's scary.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteski Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) On 1/11/2022 at 11:37 AM, deuces wild said: I still have a bottle or 2 of Boyd gloss black that I'd like to try that 50/50 mix on a Revell '69 Nova body. Looks like he air brushed directly on plastic without primer... That's scary.. Scary? Why? Testors paints are (and were always) designed for plastic models. No primer needed. When you were a kid, did you put a coat of primer (from a hardware store) before spraying models using color paints from Pactra or Testors? Probably not. I build mostly unmodified kit bodies. When I use hobby paints like Testors I don't use primer. To me any additional layer of paint ruins the realism (paint coat gets too thick, out of scale). The only time I would use primer with hobby paints would be if the model was modified in some way that required putty. Then the primer is needed to make the model's surface uniform. Otherwise, the paint goes over bare plastic. Of course this works with the "stinky" "paints. Acrylic water-based paints usually dont' stick well to bare plastic. I don't use those. Edited February 10, 2022 by peteski 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick L Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) The solvents in the “stinky” paints help it adhere to the solvent sensitive styrene where water base obviously doesn’t have that feature. I would suggest solvent based primer for water based paint as example for a two tone paint job. Some tapes may pull the water base paint up from bare plastic. Edited January 12, 2022 by Rick L Needed to be more specific 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuces wild Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Guess it doesn't hurt to try it on a plastic spoon first.... Thanks guys!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 With solvent paints sometimes I prime sometimes I don't. I have models painted in 1974ish with no primer shot in enamel that are basically still fine. Back then I was using both Pactra and Testors enamels so I don't know what's on these or which might have what. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowe-t Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 8:38 AM, Cool Hand said: I very rarely get heavy textured orange peel, but I do every now and then get micro orange peel. Which I deal with in the same way as Roger but I dont wet sand, just use the Tamiya compounds. When polishing with the Coarse and Fine I use the Tamiya compound sponges, much more control using them and are like block sanding but with compounds. Then switch to a micro fiber to polish with the Finish. Then finally rinse under warm water to remove any left over residue in door gaps etc and to remove any static. Sponges are washed out with dish washing detergent after each use, so they are reusable. The 62 Bel Air im working at the moment has been 3 staged with the compounds, no wax has been applied yet. What brand of clear did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, crowe-t said: What brand of clear did you use? The 62 Bel-Air pictured, does not have a clear coat its just polished Tamiya TS-14 Black. When I do use clear this is what I use. Thinned 1:1.5 with Mr Color levelling thinner and shot through a Iwata HP-TH .5 fan cap at 35psi This is straight from the airbrush finish, has very fine orange peel that is easily wet sand and polished out. Below the right side just after wet sanding with 6000, 8000, 10000 God Hand Kami-Yasu sanding sponge. Also use 6000, 8000 Mr Laplos polishing cloth. Edited December 9, 2022 by Cool Hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 10:12 PM, Cool Hand said: The 62 Bel-Air pictured, does not have a clear coat its just polished Tamiya TS-14 Black. When I do use clear this is what I use. Thinned 1:1.5 with Mr Color levelling thinner and shot through a Iwata HP-TH .5 fan cap at 35psi Obviously your system works. I'll show my ignorance here: Why such a high pressure? I ask because most of the figures I've seen for airbrushing bodies use =/- 20 PSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpate Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Monty said: Obviously your system works. I'll show my ignorance here: Why such a high pressure? I ask because most of the figures I've seen for airbrushing bodies use =/- 20 PSI. You don't. I have the PS 290 Procon basically same brush even though the iwata is little better far as quality etc. But for fan nozzle you need higher pressure for a even spray pattern, but 20-25 PSI is perfect for it. If he sprays a perfect fan pattern at 35 PSI than that what works for him, but under and over pressure can cause a uneven fan pattern that doesn't have even coverage. You def don't need 35 PSI, but that's for the procon PS 290 19-25 PSI is all you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Monty said: Obviously your system works. I'll show my ignorance here: Why such a high pressure? I ask because most of the figures I've seen for airbrushing bodies use =/- 20 PSI. Using a fan cap requires more psi. Iwata HP-TH fan cap requires a minimum of 30psi to atomize proper. Edited December 12, 2022 by Cool Hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miatatom Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I commented in this thread back in January. Since then I've been using my Procon PS 290 and it seems to work fine at about 20 psi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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