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I emailed them and tried to get a new cab for the quite recent Revell US re-issued Kenworth K100 to replace the damaged one in my kit, but they couldn't help me even tho' the K100 Aerodyne wich was re-issued just last fall shares the same basic cab...but no, they said the kit was out of production and parts were not available. I tried to get a new cab from Revell US when I first bought the kit but never got one from them either. I got the re-issued K100 Aerodyne too and fortunately the cab in that one was good and undamaged, the cab in the earlier K100 kit may be repairable.
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Rebadging, for many strange reasons
Force replied to Greg Myers's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
The Ford T5 was for the German market as the rights for the Mustang name was allready taken by another company, T5 was a Ford code for the Mustang project when it was developed. -
Convoy Rubber Duck Mack
Force replied to Warren D's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
I haven't seen any pictures of the engine, but one thing is clear, the engines in the movie trucks are not Detroit Diesels, it's just on the sound track. The remaining truck from the movie is still around and it's funny no one has taken any pictures of the engine. -
I totally agree.
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There are two nozzles right behind the intake valves injecting the fuel directly into the cylinder when the intake valves are open, this is where most of the fuel goes, I don't remember the exact procentage of the total ammount but it's more than what goes in under the injector hat and under the blower. They have used this system on nitro engines since the 80's so it's not new.
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I have studied paused stills of all the number plates very closely when I watched the episodes and the number really is T829654 on all Oregon plates used in Season 1 (not T8298S4 as the 3 inches under plates above says) and the 6 and 5 is clearly readable but is silver in some later episodes, otherwise the numbers are red, and the plate itself is not yellow, it's light grey, the Oregon plate when it's used in the early episodes is medium blue with the same T829654 numbers in yellow. The model year doesn't matter much as you say, but in the case with the gold emblems it kind of does as it's a one year only, the TV-series Season 1 V.I.T trucks could have been built late 1973 and got gold emblems as Kenworth celebrated the 50th anniversary then even tho' they have 1974 titles, because the emblems are gold in most shots, in Season 2 the emblems are chrome and differently placed on the hood.
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They also have a website http://www.movinontvshow.com with several pictures and I have saved every picture of the internet when I find them, so I have all truck related pictures from these sites. No I have not contacted them, I don't think I need to, here is what they say about the trucks on the biography page on the website: Kenworth W-925 Facts about “The Big Green Truck” are a little harder to come by than are those of the two human co-stars. Based on best available knowledge it is believed the tractor featured in the pilot episode, In Tandem, was a dark green 1973 Kenworth W-925, single stack, single breather, square bumper with painted steel rear wheels. It sported a full length arrow-stripe and a smaller arrow on the 36″ sleeper. For the series the production changed to a 1974 Kenworth W-925 with the VIT (Very Important Truck) package and walk-in bunk. This truck was the same dark green, but the arrow stripe did not continue on to the cab and doors. “S.Pruitt” was displayed near the top of both doors. The 1974 truck had large tanks, twin breathers, twin stacks, gull-wing bumper, polished wheels all around and was custom made by Kenworth. Two trucks were used each season, and according to Nick Gantman, former Production Assistant for D’Antoni/Weitz Television Productions, one truck was always “at the ready” for filming. Some think the truck was changed again for Season Two, to a 1975 model, but the shows Executive Producer, Barry Weitz, says not. Despite Mr. Weitz’s denial, many fans have examined photos from the second season and claim the trucks are definitely 75s. One thing is certain however: Movin’ On was filmed on locations all over the United States. Season One on the West Coast and Season Two on the East Coast. All the Kenworths, considered co-stars of the show along with Akins and Converse, did their share of hauling between locations. So even the producers and these websites are not reliable information sources. I know one thing for sure, there are several differences between the trucks used in Season 1 and Season 2 so they are indeed different, as I have just watched all 44 episodes about a week ago and I have started the second round so I have it pretty fresh in my mind. Here is the only license plates I have found so far, I don't know who did them as I found them on ebay quite some time ago. The Oregon plate is not right as both the color of the plate and numbers are right color but are wrong (it should read T829654), the others are usable for the Season 1 truck.
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I thought so. I have began a second viewing of the series now and I notice small things all the time when I see the trucks both inside and out, so far it's two episodes where the truck has only the Utah license plate, it's the "The Time Of His Life" episode and "The Trick To Stay Alive" episode, and I saw one more blue Nevada plate last night in the "Cowhands" episode with a different number than those I listed earlier in this thread, this Nevada Plate has number FZ 9825 and I have only seen this plate in this episode so far, the episode after called "The Good Life" the Nevada plate was the yellow one I mentioned earler. The at least one of the season 1 trucks also has a pintle hook at the rear cross member painted the same Ivy Bronze color as the rest of the truck. I think I have read almost all that is written about the Movin' On trucks on the interweb during my research on the subject, both on the IMDB data base, on the ATHS forum and on some other sites, and there are lots of conflicting information regarding the TV-Series trucks out there, and some things I have read does not correspond with what I see myself when I watch the episodes. So I try to be objective and don't give out faulty information or pass on hearsay, I just report what I see with my own eyes in this case.
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I hope you meant Alcoa tube tires and split rims Ben, because the TV series season 1 and season 2 trucks did not have tubeless wheels and tires and it looks to be 22 inch wheels, the front axle doesn't seem to have any brakes either after what I could see when I watched the series last week. Auslowe has a correct Cummins VT903 with turbo and it's easier to find than the old ERTL IH 4200 kit wich has been out of production for a long time, and the ERTL kit engine is a V903 without turbo. One more thing regarding the Pilot show truck, it's supposed to be a 1973 model so the AMT cab is a bit wrong as it's a 1968-72 cab with reguar door handles instead of the low mounted "paddle" latch handles on the later cab, the vent vindows are also slightly smaller on the later 1973-83 cab...but it's not that hard to fix.
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That's an odd piece, they did only two of these and none was ever started and run under it's own power.
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Yes the AMT kit is not that wrong for the In Tandem Pilot show truck, leave off the exhaust stack and air cleaner on the drivers side as the truck in the pilot show had singles, change the rear wheels to white five hole split wheels, change to a torsion bar suspension if your kit doesn't have one, and some decals and you are pretty much done...the Modeltruckin' Movin' On set has decals for both the Pilot show and the TV-series trucks. If you want to do one of the TV-series trucks you are better off starting with the Revell AG W-900 kit than the AMT kit, the Revell AG kit is allready a V.I.T. with the right 60 inch sleeper and fairly right battery boxes, but you need to change to a short hood from the AMT kit or the Revell snap kit as the Revell AG kit has an extended hood, get a Cummins VT903 or a NTC 350 to replace the Cat 3408, the engine choice depends on if you want to do the truck from season 1 or season 2, change the rear suspension from the AG 100 to torsion bar, get decals from Modeltruckin' and you are almost there...ohh, and you need a set of 22 inch split rims and tires.
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You do get them right KJ...it's sooo nice and realistic.
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Jerry didn't get the license plate right... there were no California plates on the trucks in season 1, the plate with number ZZF 541 is a blue Nevada plate in some early episodes of season 1, it was changed to a yellow Nevada plate with number 3N486X in later episodes.
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The paint scheme on the Movin' On trucks was available from the Kenworth factory at the time, the only difference for the Movin' On trucks are the S Pruitt name on the door and that the arrow from the hood doesn't continue to the door. Here is a picture from the V.I.T. broschure with the same paint scheme, Ivy Bronze with Lime Green and White Arrows and stripes. Several issues has the Movin' On decals, the AMT #T-560, the AMT/Matchbox #PK-6120 and the AMT/ERTL #6643, but the most recent kit AMT #1021 doesn't, it has the same decals as the first issue of the W-925 #T-519 from 1971. If you want to do a Movin' On truck you can get the decals from modeltruckin.com
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Cool, hopefully he will find a set of polished 22 inch split rims and tires for it as all the Pruitt trucks had and it will look perfect. I noticed some things regarding the license plates for the trucks used in season 1, in episode 1 on the DVD "The Time Of His Life" the truck had only one license plate, it was the white Utah plate with number VL 9863 in black hanging under the bumper on the passenger side, the only plate on the bumper was the "Bingo Stamp" plate in the middle under the grille. In episode 2 there are more plates added to the front bumper, a white Idaho plate with number 2 9H5 in green, a green Montana plate with number 2-38C5 with state outline in white on each side of the "Bingo" plate, a blue Nevada plate with number ZZF 541 in white and a blue Oregon plate with number T829654 in yellow under the others, and the Utah plate is still there. In later episodes the Montana plate is changed to a plate without the state outline but same number, the Nevada plate is changed to a yellow plate with number 3N486X in black and the Oregon plate is changed to a off white plate with red T829654 number together with the same VL 9863 Utah plate under the bumper. Further into the season 1 episodes the truck has a white Washington plate with number H 34828 in green under the bumper where the Utah plate was and the Oregon plate has changed a bit as the numbers 6 and 5 of the T829654 plate number are silver instead of red. The trucks in season 2 looks to have the same license plate setup in all episodes, a yellow Illinois plate with black 9371 MR number, a "Bingo" plate, a yellow N.Y. Commercial plate with black 9825-IQ number, a white Georgia plate with red OK 8015 number, a white Texas plate with black IA-3798 number under them and under the bumper on the passenger side hangs a blue California plate with yellow 99 702 Z number.
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Wheel sizes 1/24th & 1/25th
Force replied to CRUSADER2's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
The later Italeri tires aren't bad as they are one piece rubber, the old plastic two piece ones isn't that desireable. -
I have now gone through all 44 episodes one time and I will for sure watch them again. If one of the trucks in season 1 was a 1973 they must have used that truck for most of the outside shots as the KW "bug" grille emblem is gold in most scenes. If you look closely at these two pictures (click on them and you get full size) you can clearly see the gold grille emblem, there are also different license plates on the two trucks in these pictures, the Montana and Oregon plates has the same numbers but are slightly different in the two pictures, and the plate under the bumper is a Washington plate on one truck and a Utah plate on the other....both pictures are from season 1. One more thing I noticed is that the mud flaps were often taken off when they hauled a trailer, in season 1 they were sometimes hanged right behind the fuel tanks when not used, in season 2 they weren't on the truck at all when not used. The NTC 350 was in the season 2 trucks and they had 10 speed transmission, the season 1 trucks had VT903 with 15 speed. More things I have noticed about the Pruitt trucks are listed in the Paul Sagehorn’s Movin' On 1974 Kenworth W925 VIT thread in the 1:1 Truck Reference Pictures category.
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It's not only the wheels that has been changed. The last week I've gone through all 44 episodes of Movin' On Season 1 and 2 and have noticed some things worth knowing if you want to build a model of the Movin' On TV series trucks. There were at least 4 trucks used, two 1974 model year for season 1 and two 1975 model year for season 2, all are W925 V.I.T.s and has the same paint job and markings, Paul Sagehorn's is one of the 1974 trucks from the first season like the one in your picture. Except for the more modern wheels the rear suspension is changed on the Sagehorn truck as mentioned before, as I could see it was torsion bar on all trucks used for both seasons, the Sagehorn truck is repowered with a Cummins NTC inline 6 as the 1974 TV series trucks originally had Cummins VT903 V8's wich is clearly visible in several scenes, the battery boxes are slightly different and the hoses for the air cleaners are also different, Sagehorn has GVW.80,000 on the lower part of the doors and the TV series trucks had GVW.78,100 in the same place. The trucks in Season 1 also had gold "bug" grille emblem and side emblems wich Sagehorn's truck doesn't have, I find this particular thing a bit confusing as I have read the gold emblems were for the 50th anniversary of Kenworth in 1973...but the trucks used in Season 1 were supposed to be 1974 models and the V.I.T. package came for the 1974 model year, and it still had gold emblems in most shots. Some say they used a 1973 model modified to a V.I.T., in that case they have to have used that truck in almost all outside and inside shots because the gold KW "bug" emblem is clearly visible both from the outside and inside in most of the episodes and they must also have changed to a complete diamond pleat V.I.T. interior as it's the same in all episodes. The season 1 trucks had different license plates, at least four different plate sets are used as far as I could see, most noticeable is the plate under the passenger side of the bumper, in some episodes it's a Utah plate with VL 9863 number and in others it's a Washington plate with H 34828 number, the other plates on the bumper are a Idaho plate, a "Bingo" plate, two slightly different Montana plates and three different Nevada and Oregon plates are used in different episodes, the Montana plates used has the same number but one of them has the outline of the state and the other one doesn't, the Nevada plates used has different numbers and are different colors, the Oregon plates has the same numbers but are different colors. The season 2 1975 trucks are slightly different from the Season 1 trucks, the headliner in the Season 1 1974 trucks is beige and doesn't have any inserts but the 1975 trucks has green diamond pleat inserts with beige buttons, otherwise the interior is pretty much the same as in season 1, the front hubs are different as they are 4-3/8" window low profile Stemco oiler hubs on the 1975 trucks and the 1974 trucks has the smaller Stemco 2-3/4" window oiler hubs, the 1974 trucks has the hood side emblems inside the lower part of the lime green arrow, all emblems on the 1975 trucks are chrome and the side emblems on the hood are mounted further forward and below the lime green arrow on the 1975 trucks, the engine in the 1975 trucks are Cummins NTC inline 6 engines visible in a couple of scenes, the gear shift lever is different, it has a black knob on the 10-speed in the 1975 trucks and a chrome knob on the 15-speed in the 1974 trucks. The license plate arrangement looks to be the same in all scenes and episodes of Season 2, on the bumper there are Illinois, a "bingo plate" N.Y. Commercial, Georgia and Texas plates, and the plate under the bumper is a California plate, the Season 1 trucks did not have a California plate at all. The one thing that bugs me in the season 2 episodes is that they used the sound of the crappy GMC "Cracker Box" truck (called Pig Pen) two stroke engine in almost every outside scene where trucks passes by, they even used that sound for the Pruitt Kenworth. Hopefully someone has use of this information.
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Wheel sizes 1/24th & 1/25th
Force replied to CRUSADER2's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
AMT did both 20 and 22 inch rims for their truck kits, the White Freightliner, Diamond REO, White Road Boss, White Western Star, and Autocar kits have 22" rims on 11.00-22 tires and the rest has 20" rims on 10.00-20 tires, later reissues can have the slightly larger 11.00-20 tires from the ERTL truck kits...all are split rims for tube tires. The exception is the Kenworth K100 Aerodyne COE wich has one piece tubeless disc wheels and either 11.00-22 tires wich are reused from the older kits with 22 inch rims, or the Tyrone Malone Bandag tires with no size markings depending on kit...the Malone race trucks also have different wheels than the other AMT kits. -
Wheel sizes 1/24th & 1/25th
Force replied to CRUSADER2's topic in General Automotive Talk (Trucks and Cars)
Most European trucks ride on 22.5 inch wheels, on US trucks 24.5 inch seems to be more popular than 22.5 inch, at least on the long haul tractors, and these are for tubeless tires. Back in the day when we had tube tires with split rims the sizes were 20, 22 or 24 inch. For modeling purposes we have to have rims that fit the available tires and as Kurt say, the 1:24th scale Italeri wheels are closer to 24.5 than 22.5 in 1:25th scale, both he (Double Take Replicas) and Jamie at Mo'luminum Truck Parts has very nice resin wheels and tires that look far better than the Revell wheels, some might be out of stock from time to time but they usually returns, Auslowe Model Accessories also have nice wheels. Why we have 1:24 and 1:25 scale...well you have to ask the manufacturers, 1:24 is more popular with the European and the far east manufacturers and 1:25 is more popular with the US manufacturers...the "exception to the rule" was Monogram who did the models in 1:24th scale.