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A while ago I bought a 4270 kit on ebay wich was in a 4300 box, the original box was bad but included too, the other day I took it out and had a look in it as it had came up in another topic. I noticed that the 4300 box has the same pictures on the sides describing the features in the kit as the 4270 had, a picture of a red Cummins V903, spoked Dayton style wheels and so forth...the hood in the pictures even has the same paint scheme as the 4270 kit had on the boxart...but the 4300 has 10 hole Alcoas in all positions and a IH V-800 and is yellow on the boxart. One can also wonder why ERTL decided to change the air ride in the earlier kits to the stiffer walking beam in the later kits, air ride would have been more for highway trucks and walking beam should be more for construction and other heavy duty purposes and both the Transtar 4300 Eagle and the Transtar II looks to be more of the highway type.

My point exactly and it was what I meant with "look no further than the Revell '67 Plymouth GTX", swap the 9-3/4 for the Dana 60 and build both cars.

I hope you wasn't offended, I meant to put a after the "not that long ago...just 19 years" but I got a fault message so I had to take it away for the post to work.

Well I woun't loose any sleep over it, I'm just glad we get a decent AAR 'Cuda with more correct proportions than the last two tries Revell did.

The body shapes are not bad but the rest has lots to desire. The '64 we have now has no opening hood as it is an unassmbled promo and as a consequense of that no detailing there, the more detailed one they did was converted to a modified Stocker race car, the tail light area on the '63 is very wrong with oversize bezels and wrong tail lights, some crude detailing here and there and it's not that good under the hood, both these also has a convertible interiors...so the kits show the age as they are developed in the early 60's. So in my opinion we do need better kits of those. The '60 Ford Starliner was one of the last kits AMT/ERTL issued before Racing Champions bought the company and was originally issued back in 2000...that's not that long ago...just 19 years. After Round2 took over they combined the originally two kits into one 2 'n 1 kit wich it wasn't meant to be from the beginning as the stock version and the custom version was separate kits, that's why you get two engines. The last kits AMT/ERTL developed in the late 90's to early 2000's was pretty good.

The main thing for me is that the model have the correct look and that the main AAR specific parts are right, a part like a rear end is an easy fix as a 8-3/4 rear is not that hard to find, look no further than the Revell 67 Plymouth GTX. It's unfortunate that they missed that but it looks to be a nice kit overall.

It's easy to forget as I have never looked at them...too new for me. Maybe a present generation Camaro was not the right subject to expect to sell in large volumes...they would most likely have done better if they did a good first generation Camaro...yes they allready have a 67 and 68 and the dreadful old MPC 69 but they are definately not of todays standard. One thing they could do if they don't want to do completely new tooling is to further develop existing tools and do other kits from that tooling, for example do new 1961 Starliner, 1962, 1963½ and 1964 Ford Galaxie kits based on the very nice 1960 Starliner tooling, tool up new bodys, chrome, seats, console and interior sides and you are done and have new kits I believe would sell quite well, at least the 61, 63½ and 64...the old "Annual" and "Craftsman" kits we have now wich aren't that correct and somewhat crude detailwise and has passed the "expiration date" a long time ago. They have other tooling that could be devloped the same way. I think I have bought 90% of the Revell new tooling kits released the last 10-15 years and I'm not alone, so they must have done something right when developing new kits, and the kits I have bought are mostly hot rods and classic cars and I think it's where the market is. So they have to "feel the market" and put out what people want and the kits will sell.

I don't mind if they repop old kits, they all do and have to to make money out of the tooling, so it's fine by me, especially when they reissue old rarely issued kits. But how many of the same kit can you buy...or want to buy...even if they have new tampo printed tires, Coca Cola and other decals, nice boxart or whatever, it's still basically the same kits they put out over and over. I have enough kits in my stash to last me a couple of lifetimes but a new kit now and then isn't a bad thing and keeps the interest up for us old geezers who have been around forever.

I thought we would see at least a coupe new tooling automotive kits from them by now, it's around 10 years since Round 2 took over and have almost exclusively done reissues, wich is fine by me but an all new kit now and then wouldn't hurt. Especially now when Revell is under new ownership and no one knows if they are planning any new kits as everything they have released so far was allready in the works before the new owners came in...then we only have Moebius.

Of course it is...when was the last time you saw an all new tooling car kit from Round 2.

On 4-speed manual cars, automatics often came with 8 3/4 inch. Dana 60 rear end, a heavy beast originally intended for trucks. 8-3/4 inch rear end, these pictures are taken of AAR 'Cudas...am I wrong or do I see torque boxes in front of the leaf spring mounts.

Well Revell may have wanted to squeeze out some money from the F&F licensing too.

What's so special with the F&F version, it looks like a standard Yenko to me...I choose the Revell kit any day over this one as I buy kits based on quality and not boxart and the Revell kit is wayyy better.

Yeah, both the second and third movie was bad...the first is iconic tho'.

Good job. I took these at the California Hot Rod Reunion last October.

Nice work.

Yep, they work now.

Looks like the old rig for the Kenny Koretzky/Clay Millican team, it seems like it has been sitting there for a while. I belive Kenny sold his Top Fuel team back in 2007.

Turned out very nice, great job.

Nope, no pictures here either,

You are right about that. There are much available on the aftermarket now and that's great, but it's the period correct stuff for the late 60's to early 80's truck kits (wich most of the AMT and ERTL truck kits are) I miss the most.

Very nice.

I have seen pictures of Grumpy's 68, 69 and 70½ Camaros with Pro designation with numbers 100, 101 and 777. Many of the cars in the first couple of years in the new Pro Stock class was basically Super Stock cars with more liberal engine rules, so they were not much different from a Super Stock except for the engine. Slicks size around 10½-11½ inches wide.

Most of them has this type of box but I don't know who makes them.