Sacrilege or really cool? Hmmmmm...

[espo]

In my mind this is SACRILEGE. I understand the Electric Car is gaining a place in market for new cars and many are embracing them and they be a major part of the future. This Porsche, even this so called inexpensive and easily attainable version,  being converted to electric power is like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa because you think it looks better. I agree with misterNNL when it comes to the automobile. The sights and sounds are as they should be  and that is the way they should be kept. I'm fine with someone wanting an electric car and buys one of the new offerings in the market place that they feel fulfills their needs. Maybe if this guy was doing old Yugo's  I would be fine with it, but not something iconic like a Porsche and so many others that really represent something special from their point in time and should be respected for that.  

[Ace-Garageguy]

There are "purists" among us, some of whom are particularly enamored of one particular make, and some of whom feel it's sacrilege to alter significantly ANY vehicle, as though the designers of the originals were super-humans who had overcome the need to put their pants on one-leg-at-a-time.

I disagree, and feel that just about anything is fair game for hot-rodding (barring some very special and historically significant subjects). That said, though I have access to original '20s and '30s Fords that would make great rod material, there are so few left unaltered that I personally wouldn't cut one up. Nor would I heavily modify something like a '72 911S...unless it was just too far gone to make a straight restoration economically viable.

What I have planned for my OWN 911 would surely count as sacrilege to many Porschephiles, and I really don't give a damm. I specifically sought out a rough but solid example of what is just about the LEAST desirable of the 911 range to use as my canvas, and it was among the cheapest too. The chances of that particular car ever getting restored were slim to none, and most likely it would have been driven to death, or into a post, by some idiot.

But if you choose to heavily modify an irreplaceable vintage vehicle, try to do a competent job. There is a world of difference between a well-planned and executed modification and a bodged, mindless hack-job...and I've seen plenty of the latter.

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy

[Xingu]

11 minutes ago, espo said:

In my mind this is SACRILEGE. I understand the Electric Car is gaining a place in market for new cars and many are embracing them and they be a major part of the future. This Porsche, even this so called inexpensive and easily attainable version,  being converted to electric power is like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa because you think it looks better. I agree with misterNNL when it comes to the automobile. The sights and sounds are as they should be  and that is the way they should be kept. I'm fine with someone wanting an electric car and buys one of the new offerings in the market place that they feel fulfills their needs. Maybe if this guy was doing old Yugo's  I would be fine with it, but not something iconic like a Porsche and so many others that really represent something special from their point in time and should be respected for that.  

What if you took the exact car, put a roll cage in it, added a body kit, lowered the suspension and then took it to your local SCCA event and raced it. Would you have the exact feelings towards it as you do to the electric motor being added?

To each their own. Most folks probably wouldn't put an electric motor in any car.....because they don't know how. Some would do it, just for the challenge. The really talented folks would do it in a way that could be reversed.

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 minutes ago, Xingu said:

What if you took the exact car, put a roll cage in it, added a body kit, lowered the suspension and then took it to your local SCCA event and raced it. Would you have the exact feelings towards it as you do to the electric motor being added?

To each their own. Most folks probably wouldn't put an electric motor in any car.....because they don't know how. Some would do it, just for the challenge. The really talented folks would do it in a way that could be reversed.

Excellent points.  

[Silver Foxx]

In the November 2017 issue of Octane magazine there is an article ( page 22 ) about an electric E Type Jaguar which has been built by Jaguar Land Rover Classic Works . This just does not seem right , not cool .

[Junkman]

Needs an RWB kit.

[iamsuperdan]

9 hours ago, JollySipper said:

Porsche was on to electrics and hybrids in the early 1900s...... in fact, I think the first Porsche was an electric carriage..........

The very first Porsche was an all wheel drive electric car! 

[Junkman]

The only actual question I have is whether it comes with Ludicrous Mode, which is the only raison d'etre for electric cars.
Or is it just a milk float on steroids?

[Ace-Garageguy]

30 minutes ago, Junkman said:

...Or is it just a milk float on steroids?

Which brings up another salient point. Most vehicles converted to battery-electric aren't really very satisfactory. Only when the structure is designed from a clean sheet of paper is it possible to optimize the location and installation of the (still) massively heavy battery packs.

A vehicle originally designed for IC engine power, especially a smallish sports-car, is at a huge disadvantage when retrofitted as a plug-in electric.

Short range and long recharge times are common, as is the tendency for the performance to drop off markedly after 50% discharge is reached. Cold weather and actually USING the high torque that's on tap for acceleration all conspire to rapidly drain the batteries too (as do using heat and AC) and to relegate conversions to the curiosity end of the vehicle spectrum...not something you can really use, and use hard.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy

[Craig Irwin]

 I love and respect Porsches, gut I don't see this as any different then putting an LS engine in a first generation Camaro , or a 32Ford for that matter. People swap engines (and now motors too apparently). It's nothing that I'd do or want but to each their own.  I can't imagine what the weight of the batterys did to the handling.  And I like to go places, not stay near home and look at my car on a charger.

[Junkman]

Putting electrickery with Ludicrous Mode into a 32 Ford sounds like fun in tins, though.

[Junkman]

I mean, for half a century, there was nothing, I repeat, nothing, that could beat an American Muscle Car in straight line performance.
Now, whether you like it or not, with this electro chod, King Kong has arrived.

[slusher]

I am just not an electric car person until it's the only choice you have....

[Junkman]

I wasn't either. Until I sat in a Tesla S in Ludicrous Mode, that is.

[Aaronw]

So does it sound like a Norelco or a Remington? Or maybe a Braun. 

 

I think putting an automatic in a 911 was a greater offense than putting a high performance electric motor in one. 

[Craig Irwin]

1 hour ago, Aaronw said:

So does it sound like a Norelco or a Remington? Or maybe a Braun. 

 

I think putting an automatic in a 911 was a greater offense than putting a high performance electric motor in one. 

I feel the same way about the 4 door SUV's.

[Richard Bartrop]

14 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

There are "purists" among us, some of whom are particularly enamored of one particular make, and some of whom feel it's sacrilege to alter significantly ANY vehicle, as though the designers of the originals were super-humans who had overcome the need to put their pants on one-leg-at-a-time.

I disagree, and feel that just about anything is fair game for hot-rodding (barring some very special and historically significant subjects). That said, though I have access to original '20s and '30s Fords that would make great rod material, there are so few left unaltered that I personally wouldn't cut one up. Nor would I heavily modify something like a '72 911S...unless it was just too far gone to make a straight restoration economically viable.

What I have planned for my OWN 911 would surely count as sacrilege to many Porschephiles, and I really don't give a damm. I specifically sought out a rough but solid example of what is just about the LEAST desirable of the 911 range to use as my canvas, and it was among the cheapest too. The chances of that particular car ever getting restored were slim to none, and most likely it would have been driven to death, or into a post, by some idiot.

But if you choose to heavily modify an irreplaceable vintage vehicle, try to do a competent job. There is a world of difference between a well-planned and executed modification and a bodged, mindless hack-job...and I've seen plenty of the latter.

 

i totally agree.  When something turns one of these:

into something like this:

 

That's vandalism, pure and simple.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Richard Bartrop

[Ace-Garageguy]

Singer gets it, and they got it right...

 

 

[unclescott58]

11 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

The very first Porsche was an all wheel drive electric car! 

Boy, are you going back in history always for that one. But, at the same time, you are right. 

[iamsuperdan]

9 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Singer gets it, and they got it right...

 

 

No one has ever gotten anything as right as Singer did. Those cars are just perfection in every way.

Top three in my "lottery list" of cars I'll be buying once my numbers come in!

 

 

[landman]

Just now, iamsuperdan said:

No one has ever gotten anything as right as Singer did. Those cars are just perfection in every way.

Top three in my "lottery list" of cars I'll be buying once my numbers come in!

 

 

I agree wholeheartedly. it's like that company in Australia who redoes old Jags. they are pure jewelry.

 

[Aaronw]

21 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Which brings up another salient point. Most vehicles converted to battery-electric aren't really very satisfactory. Only when the structure is designed from a clean sheet of paper is it possible to optimize the location and installation of the (still) massively heavy battery packs.

A vehicle originally designed for IC engine power, especially a smallish sports-car, is at a huge disadvantage when retrofitted as a plug-in electric.

Short range and long recharge times are common, as is the tendency for the performance to drop off markedly after 50% discharge is reached. Cold weather and actually USING the high torque that's on tap for acceleration all conspire to rapidly drain the batteries too (as do using heat and AC) and to relegate conversions to the curiosity end of the vehicle spectrum...not something you can really use, and use hard.

 

It is called an extension cord, oh wait...

[Scott Colmer]

My old high school car had a hot Wankle. It was loud an fast. I disintegrated the fiberglass front end before I got it in paint.

I have another shell and a hood. The original power plant plan was a small, aluminum V8. Now that I've been driving our Bolt EV, I'm going electric. EV vehicles accelerate like crazy. Isn't that what street fun is about?

I'll bet I could set up a sound system to sound like an engine (any engine).  Fake side pipes could be the speakers. 'Cause like ACE, I like that sound too. I also want to run it through a transmission. I'll take the added drag just so I can shift it.

 

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Edited January 20, 2018 by Scott Colmer

[Joe Handley]

6 hours ago, Scott Colmer said:

My old high school car had a hot Wankle. It was loud an fast. I disintegrated the fiberglass front end before I got it in paint.

I have another shell and a hood. The original power plant plan was a small, aluminum V8. Now that I've been driving our Bolt EV, I'm going electric. EV vehicles accelerate like crazy. Isn't that what street fun is about?

I'll bet I could set up a sound system to sound like an engine (any engine).  Fake side pipes could be the speakers. 'Cause like ACE, I like that sound too. I also want to run it through a transmission. I'll take the added drag just so I can shift it.

 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Lose the 93mph limiter and throw some slicks and skinnies on lightweight rims on one of those Bolts, and you could go and play with Musclecars in the Quarter Mile, and probably put a few on the trailer!

[peteski]

On 1/18/2018 at 6:30 PM, cobraman said:

Looks like performance may be good but its not for me. I guess I just like to hear the engine.

They are coming out with what you want. Just do a Google search for "sound system for electric cars".  Here is an example:

 

 

Edited January 22, 2018 by peteski