moparfarmer Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Dave Van said: My bet is 'Damaged' is just a term for gone. If you want tp get an idea how manufacturing in China works get a copy of the book '100 year marathon'. It explains how if you make things in China you operate with the CCP as a partner. Inside the CCP are 'companies' that operate under that CCP umbrella. What happened to the 29/30 tooling MAY be much like what was detailed on a model train forum by a manufacture that tried to move his tooling from one shop to another.....once he got the OK he found all his tooling had been destroyed by a number of methods. Only the folks at Revell know what happened....... Keep business in the USA NOT China..Capitalism vs Socialism/Communism..
Luc Janssens Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Removed Edited October 30, 2020 by Luc Janssens
Xingu Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Once again, the comments are starting to head in a political direction. Please keep the comments centered on the models.
Dave Van Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, moparfarmer said: Keep business in the USA NOT China..Capitalism vs Socialism/Communism.. The good news is this..... The cost of tooling and manufacturing in China has gone up so much, part of the plan, that the USA is now cost effective. Also the current administration has made China back off the required partnership if you do business there.....we'll see how effective that is. The bad thing is if things go south big with China what will happen to all the tooling in China now?? Doubt they will hand it over intact.
Dave Van Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 One thing I want to add...... Back when RC2 owned AMT I got to help restore a old tool that was damaged and missing parts. I worked directly with a Chinese tooling shop. Even with a language barrier the WORKERS were great people. Very skilled and very polite. A shame that the CCP is not the same as it's people. I am not anti Chinua but anti CCP. thx
stitchdup Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Rocking Rodney Rat said: It looks like I'll spring for a Jag XKE (for the rear suspension) for a hot rod, gee, what a surprise, huh? -RRR You can get the jag suspension from motobitz in the uk, probably get 3 sets for the price of one kit. Its a very nice piece with each part seperate. I'm using one on my 30 delivery
Richard Bartrop Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Casey said: Well, they did tool up all new fenders skirts, bumpers, a LaSalle style grille, and new wheels (again, maybe the fifth unique included with this kit?). We are fortunate to only have such minor nits to pick. I still bought one, and I'll still buy another, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed.
keyser Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, stitchdup said: You can get the jag suspension from motobitz in the uk, probably get 3 sets for the price of one kit. Its a very nice piece with each part seperate. I'm using one on my 30 delivery Agree. And Buttera Revell kits dead common, similar rear end, and the awful 34 uses same chassis. Cheap as chips.
Tom Geiger Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Dave Van said: My bet is 'Damaged' is just a term for gone. Only the folks at Revell know what happened....... That was my belief from day one. The manufacturers were listed in the bankruptcy. They were owed money. Tooling kept by them. When the bankruptcy sale listed the tooling selling for nothing, I was thinking that was probably just the US tooling they had in their warehouse. I’ve been wondering if the new Revell has the tooling that was in China.
Rocking Rodney Rat Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 6 hours ago, keyser said: Agree. And Buttera Revell kits dead common, similar rear end, and the awful 34 uses same chassis. Cheap as chips. the Buttera suspension sucks... -RRR
niteowl7710 Posted October 31, 2020 Author Posted October 31, 2020 If Revell wanted to make a new tool kit for this forum it should be a 1:1 tin foil hat...
stitchdup Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, niteowl7710 said: If Revell wanted to make a new tool kit for this forum it should be a 1:1 tin foil hat... now that made me laugh, thanks
keyser Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 3 hours ago, niteowl7710 said: If Revell wanted to make a new tool kit for this forum it should be a 1:1 tin foil hat... Then people would argue about fedora vs. panama, and shiny side out and matte side out. ??♂️??
GMP440 Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, keyser said: Then people would argue about fedora vs. panama, and shiny side out and matte side out. ??♂️?? I agree. People will still complain. Just like the record player. Round and round.
mrm Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Rocking Rodney Rat said: the Buttera suspension sucks... -RRR I beg to disagree. Yes it needs some adjustments, but it is pretty much the only true street rod IRS out there. I have been wishing that Revel (or anyone for that matter) would make just one time a truly modern street rod chassis with proper IFS and IRS. A specifically designed for fenderless rods full chassis.
mrm Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 It is also absolutely mindblowing to me, that no company has ever released any '33/'34/'35/'36 Chevies in any shape or form. "34 Chevies make amazing customs or street rods and I am pretty sure that plenty of people would love to build them stock too. And they are big enough to fit whatever motor you please and keep the hoods.
stitchdup Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, mrm said: It is also absolutely mindblowing to me, that no company has ever released any '33/'34/'35/'36 Chevies in any shape or form. "34 Chevies make amazing customs or street rods and I am pretty sure that plenty of people would love to build them stock too. And they are big enough to fit whatever motor you please and keep the hoods. I'd buy some of them or any other brands from that era if they were available
Luc Janssens Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Opinions are only good when they can be motivated, click here! if you dare, Ha!
Motor City Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 10 hours ago, mrm said: It is also absolutely mindblowing to me, that no company has ever released any '33/'34/'35/'36 Chevies in any shape or form. "34 Chevies make amazing customs or street rods and I am pretty sure that plenty of people would love to build them stock too. And they are big enough to fit whatever motor you please and keep the hoods. Yes, it's hard to believe, but few real ones have survived either. Same goes for the '32-'40 Plymouths, which would make great kits. But realistically, outside of the 1930s Fords and 1937 Chevy coupe, nothing else from that decade is really popular stock AND as hot rod material. I've bought several Brooklin diecast models of 1930s GM cars since the model kit industry isn't interested.
Justin Porter Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 A newly tooled kit has to be a global success rather than just a domestic success to justify tooling costs. Otherwise get comfortable with paying larger prices for shorter production runs from smaller niche manufacturers. A newly tooled 3 window '34 Ford coupe - particularly either licensed or at least patterned after the celebrated California Kid - is something that could reasonably be justified. More obscure street rod choices are seriously less likely when there are major global subjects - Pagoda roof Mercedes 280SL, Austin Healey 3000 MkII, Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40 - that have no serviceable kit in 1/24th scale and would sell in far greater numbers.
Motor City Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 agreed; I think the resin manufacturers will be the only ones we can count on for new U.S. full kits or curbside
Justin Porter Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 17 hours ago, Motor City said: agreed; I think the resin manufacturers will be the only ones we can count on for new U.S. full kits or curbside Doubtful. JR Salvinos and Moebius are going concerns and Revell isn't uninterested in new US full kits as evidenced by their planned '71 Ford Mustang kit. For that matter, two of Tamiya's most recent 1/24th scale kits have been US subjects, as well as ICM kitting their series of excellent Model T kits. I would not even be surprised if Round 2 - now that they're investing in developing entirely newly tooled components for kits such as the bodies in the the full bumper Camaro, Grumpy's Vega, or '63 Chevy II wagon - eventually made the commitment to tooling entirely new kits when their tooling vault runs dry. But, as I said, be prepared for higher prices and shorter productions runs outside of the most commonplace subject matter. We're already seeing this as a successful business model with Salvinos and Moebius, and it's the business model for the bulk of military kit companies especially in the aircraft genre.
Danno Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 A note with regard to Justin's last paragraph: I was in a local hobby shop (known to be firmly glued to the top of MSRP - pardon the pun) and noticed they have some of the reissued 1/32 simplified AMT/R2/AutoWorld kits. Pricing ranged from $24.95 for the '32 Ford to $33.95 (!) for the '58 Thunderbird! Yes, $33.fricking95!!!! Holy gouge, Batman. Whoa. So much for simplified. So much for small parts count and less plastic weight per box. ?
Justin Porter Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Danno said: A note with regard to Justin's last paragraph: I was in a local hobby shop (known to be firmly glued to the top of MSRP - pardon the pun) and noticed they have some of the reissued 1/32 simplified AMT/R2/AutoWorld kits. Pricing ranged from $24.95 for the '32 Ford to $33.95 (!) for the '58 Thunderbird! Yes, $33.fricking95!!!! Holy gouge, Batman. Whoa. So much for simplified. So much for small parts count and less plastic weight per box. ? Believe me, when my distributor posts the incoming releases with their MSRP's I invariably wince when I see Round 2's latest "adjustments".
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