bobthehobbyguy Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I was just wondering on how the decision was made to even offer us a Ford Del Rio ranch wagon in the first place? Talking with people over the years I thought I was one few people out there that had interest in '57 Fords. Everybody else is talking how much they love the tri-five Chevy's. Especially the '57. And no one until this model was announced seemed to even know what a Del Rio Ranch Wagon was. Like few people can tell you what a '56 Ford Parklane is. So where did this idea of making a Del Rio model kit come from? Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted this car has been done as kit. But, you ask most modelers a few years back if they would even be interested in a model of a Del Rio. The first thing they would have asked you, "is what a Del Rio?" And when they found what it was, they would tell not to hold your breath waiting for it to be done as model. They may have thought the Del Reo was cool once they learned about it. But, no one would have expected to see a model kit of one. So where did this come from? And if we can now get a Del Rio Ranch Wagon, what are the chances of someday seeing a Parklane too? I know. Don't hold your breath.... But, I wasn't holding my breath of ever seeing the Del Rio. And yet here it is! Scott I think the big part was they could keverage off the 57 ford kit. Not sure if the numbers would have worked if they had to start from scratch. Also I would think good sales of the first version also helped.
Daddyfink Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I am just glad it is not another '32 Ford or '57 Chevy, or..........
martinfan5 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I am just glad it is not another '32 Ford or '57 Chevy, or.......... best post so far.
ranma Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Correct back bumper found for the 57 Del-Rio! Just find and buy the Johnny Lightning 57 Ford Courier delivery wagon.
Porscheman Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I'm building mine right now and enjoying it. My dad had a 57 Ranch Wagon without rear bumper guards. He said when he ordered the car, he had them omitted. He didn't like them on wagons, he called them knuckle busters.
charlie8575 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 It sounds like their quality control/quality assurance efforts with regards to accuracy could use some improvement at various stages of the process.. I wonder if Revell, etc practice TQM, Six Sigma or ISO9000;; As Luc said, it's the transition from the designer's 2d drawings to the pattern maker's 3d (as in real, actual. Not 3d as in computer) master is where most inaccuracies creep in. Sometimes there's just not enough information on the drawing and the pattern maker has to use his skills to fill in the missing information. Some are better at it than others. Then that pattern has to be input into a computer to where they design the actual "kit" parts and layout the runners and cut the tool, again another step where inaccuracies can creep in but I believe they are using 3d scanning for this step now to alleviate this. The trend is moving towards doing it all in 3d in the computer from initial design to tooling. I think that will alleviate a lot of the mistakes. I think Rob called it. Quality control is everything. And all the high-tech in the world can't replace a robust quality assurance program at all steps, from concept to getting the finished product on the truck for shipping to the stores. Sometimes, the high-tech can make it easier to make more mistakes faster, in a case of cruel irony. Quality, quality, quality. It costs no more and can save money in the long run and possibly your business. W. Edward Demming was absolutely correct. As was Armand Feigenbaum and Philip Crosby. And listening to each of those men's words and reading what they wrote will transform your professional life. Charlie Larkin
mike 51 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I can't help but think that having the entire process under one roof would be a giant help. Unless they station their own staff overseas, how can they properly oversee what's being made in a timely fashion?
Rob Hall Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I can't help but think that having the entire process under one roof would be a giant help. Unless they station their own staff overseas, how can they properly oversee what's being made in a timely fashion? Yeah...I'm not a big fan of overseas outsourcing...I've been on too many projects that had too many problems with that..big software projects coordinated across 3 countries and multiple time zones..led to lots of headaches.
charlie8575 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I can't help but think that having the entire process under one roof would be a giant help. Unless they station their own staff overseas, how can they properly oversee what's being made in a timely fashion? Even if it was in one nation, it would help. Even if you really wanted to do the actual manufacturing overseas, if you did all the development and tooling here, it would shave months off I should think, certainly cut down on errors, and get turnaround that much faster. The good new is re-shoring is finally starting to occur, and with more consumers demanding American products, even globally, after people not being sure of the quality they get from China especially, we may eventually see more of it in the hobby business. Not to mention our better IP laws and other protections against industrial espionage. Oh, and the government will return your property to you (at least in theory) if they seize a sub-contractor. Charlie Larkin
detailstymied Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 People do take the hobby WAAAAYYYYY to seriously, to the point of sometimes taking the fun out of it. What is worse, in a very comical way tho, is how seriously some people are taking themselves on here. i agree. and then there are those that remind us why we build: http://www.doozymodelworks.com/works.html
unclescott58 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Okay I'm begining to understand this tread now. It's not about News & Review of Revell's '57 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon. It's a pissing match on who's right and who wrong about how models could or should be designed and engineered. And what idiots people are, especially at Revell if mistakes are made. Or what an idiot the other person on this tread is for not agreeing with my opinion. Or what an idiot I am for accepting or liking the kit, with all of its mistakes. This is getting very tiring to me. Again I'm just delighted Revell has offered us a '57 Ford Del Rio model kit. I'm like, WOW! Isn't this great! A '57 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon! I'd like to see and know more about the kit itself. Not how did they screw this up again?! The bickering a lot of guys get into over new Revell kits drive me nuts. I've like their recent '90 Mustang LX, '70 Cuda, and '67 Camaro. Are they perfect? I thought they were until you guys told me they were not. And how stupid I am for not noticing and putting up with such inferior products. I love to going to the web site that shows model box art and instructions. So many times when I look at the old instructions now, I think about how a good number modelers on these threads here, would be upset with these kits if they were introduced today. Just the other day I was noticing the only engine that came in AMT's original '64 Ford Fairlane kit was a 427 cu. in. V-8 with dual 4-barrel carbs. Neat kit. But, if your wanted to build the stock version, you had to use that engine. This is not correct engine for a stock '64 Fairlanr Sports Coupe. If I bought the kit back when was a kid, first I would have not known it was wrong. And second I would have thought it was cool even if I did. As an adult I might make a comment to my car and model building friends about it. But, I still would be delighted with the kit. As I'm still happy with my AMT '67 Falcon with the wrong factory exhaust set up. My AMT '66 Buick Wildcat with the incorrect '65 interior. My MPC Bonneville with the incorrect tri-power set up. And many more. Are they wrong? Yes. But, over all, they do a great job of representing the cars they are ment to be. Kits from companies like Palmer back in the day were so off, even as a kid I didn't like them. But I don't see the new Revell kits being in the same class as Palmer kits. Over all I'm happy with Revell's new releases. And am tired of hearing, "how can Revell have screwed up this one. Again!" Scott Edited June 30, 2015 by unclescott58
Sledsel Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Scott, it is understandable and the thread did go way off track. As stated before, I pointed out the issues with the 57 Custom with hopes some may have been addressed. It was also meant as an FYI for those who may wish to build a more correct looking kit. I was happy that the sedan and Del Rio were being made, but being a huge 57 Ford fan, I was personally disappointed with the kit. That is my choice and it is also my choice to purchase or not. The Del Rio, yea, I'll get one, spend the time correcting it, at that time, I will decide if I want another. The fact that old kits were also incorrect from being updated each year is one thing, the bodies and the way they looked overall was much better and accurate (looking) than some kits of today. Just seams like it takes so long to get a kit out when 50 years ago, the new kit of the current cars were out in that same year and actually looking pretty accurate.
bobthehobbyguy Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Okay I'm begining to understand this tread now. It's not about News & Review of Revell's '57 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon. It's a pissing match on who's right and who wrong about how models could or should be designed and engineered. And what idiots people are, especially at Revell if mistakes are made. Or what an idiot the other person on this tread is for not agreeing with my opinion. Or what an idiot I am for accepting or liking the kit, with all of its mistakes. This is getting very tiring to me. Again I'm just delighted Revellg has offered us a '57 Ford Del Rio model kit. I'm like, WOW! Isn't this great! A '57 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon! I'd like to see and know more about the kit itself. Not how did they screw this up again?! The bickering a lot of guys get into over new Revell kits drive me nuts. I've like their recent '90 Mustang LX, '70 Cuda, and '67 Camaro. Are they perfect? I thought they were until you guys told me they were not. And how stupid I am for not noticing and putting up with such inferior products. I love to going to the web site that shows model box art and instructions. So many times when I look at the old instructions now, I think about how a good number modelers on these threads here, would be upset with these kits if they were introduced today. Just the other day I was noticing the only engine that came in AMT's original '64 Ford Fairlane kit was a 427 cu. in. V-8 with dual 4-barrel carbs. Neat kit. But, if your wanted to build the stock version, you had to use that engine. This is not correct engine for a stock '64 Fairlanr Sports Coupe. If I bought the kit back when was a kid, first I would have not known it was wrong. And second I would have thought it was cool even if I did. As an adult I might make a comment to my car and model building friends about it. But, I still would be delighted with the kit. As I'm still happy with my AMT '67 Falcon with the wrong factory exhaust set up. My AMT '66 Buick Wildcat with the incorrect '65 interior. My MPC Bonneville with the incorrect tri-power set up. And many more. Are they wrong? Yes. But, over all, they do a great job of representing the cars they are ment to be. Kits from companies like Palmer back in the day were so off, even as a kid I didn't like them. But I don't see the new Revell kits being in the same class as Palmer kits. Over all I'm happy with Revell's new releases. And am tired of hearing, "how can Revell have screwed up this one. Again!" Scott Very true. The biggest lack in the reviews is what they got right. We are getting some great models for the pricepoint that has been established.
Tom Geiger Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Very true. The biggest lack in the reviews is what they got right. We are getting some great models for the pricepoint that has been established. Yea, I've taken a back seat to discussions about the new kits. The realities of the model business today have been explained over and over. If these guys don't get it at this point, they never will.
bobthehobbyguy Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Scott, it is understandable and the thread did go way off track. As stated before, I pointed out the issues with the 57 Custom with hopes some may have been addressed. It was also meant as an FYI for those who may wish to build a more correct looking kit. I was happy that the sedan and Del Rio were being made, but being a huge 57 Ford fan, I was personally disappointed with the kit. That is my choice and it is also my choice to purchase or not. The Del Rio, yea, I'll get one, spend the time correcting it, at that time, I will decide if I want another. The fact that old kits were also incorrect from being updated each year is one thing, the bodies and the way they looked overall was much better and accurate (looking) than some kits of today. Just seams like it takes so long to get a kit out when 50 years ago, the new kit of the current cars were out in that same year and actually looking pretty accurate. Telling what the issues are and possibility how to fix them however is one thing but its the way some of the comments have been presented that is the issue. The old adage of its not what you say but how you say it comes to mind. Also there were a lot of things that they didn't get right in past kits. The AMT 32 Fords that were all sectioned. What about some of the kits that were sized to fit a specific box size rather than scaled properly.
High octane Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I agree with mrm that many of you are taking this hobby WAAAAY too seriously and get to excited about the little things. I thought this hobby was supposed to be FUN and enjoyable. You can ease your frustrations buy not buying ANY more kits and just building the ones you already have. After awhile the model companies will go broke and shut down all together, which is okay by me.
Drake69 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I agree with mrm that many of you are taking this hobby WAAAAY too seriously and get to excited about the little things. I thought this hobby was supposed to be FUN and enjoyable. You can ease your frustrations buy not buying ANY more kits and just building the ones you already have. After awhile the model companies will go broke and shut down all together, which is okay by me. Hush up with all that "FUN" and "ENJOYABLE" hobby stuff. I want everyone to get back to the very-humorous pointless bickering and who has the better/worst skills. Please resume your arguments while I restock on more popcorn.
sfhess Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I'm just delighted Revell has offered us a '57 Ford Del Rio model kit. I'm like, WOW! Isn't this great! A '57 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon!I totally agree.I should know better than to keep looking at this thread. Makes my head hurt.
mrknowetall Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Time out for a public service announcement! The Del Rio's are arriving in distribution now. Should be in your LHS shortly.
Drake69 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I already have mine. It's in the perpetually growing stash of "to-be-worked-on-eventually" pile.
gtx6970 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Going to stop by my LHS this weekend and get me one of these. Any issues be damned.....I want one bad. Then I just need to find the wheels I want to use. Edited June 30, 2015 by gtx6970
Bob Ellis Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I just got the Del Rio, so I can make a comment about the final product. I looked at the box, and it said MONOGRAM. Maybe because they have to keep using the name for trademark. Kind of like EXXON uses ESSO every so often. It said Ranch Wagon on the box. I thought it was a Del Rio. Apparently, this kit is the upper trim option of the Ranch Wagon. So, if you don't like upper trim, scrape it off and use 0.020" half round Evergreen and make the lower trim package. It looks like the whole blower package comes with this engine. Alas, there is nothing in the instructions to indicate it's there, or how to build. Like Fonzi from Happy Days, it's hard for me to say I'm wronnnnnnnnnnnnng. It's not going to be a slam dunk to make a Ranchero. The roof door combo is a plus, but the bed interior is a station wagon. Going to take some effort here. I think it will be about the same to add 2 doors to make the Country Sedan, maybe easier. Emblems? What emblems? Everything is decals . I'm not that crazy about that. Better build before the decals get old and curl up. I think they look one dimensional, as they are. Dead on, okay. 3/4 shot photo NG. The box is hefty. There is a lot of stuff in it. Tons and tons of parts. More than the good old days. Tires are boring and come with decal white walls. Round2 has grabbed to ball on this one. Maybe its a price thing. I use latex or acrylic and paint my own whitewalls. The white FORD circle inserts on the hubcaps are great. Kudos there. All in all, it's a great kit. Well worth the $20+ for it. I bought 4.
charlie8575 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Bob, did you pick those up at Spare Time? Decal scripts.....blech. Wonder if MCG's photo-etch has the right scripts? If so, that means mine is in. I'll need to go down and get it. Charlie Larkin
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