Revell 2017 Releases

[Draggon]

Is the original Revell kit all wrong, or is the top on the Foose kit too wide and too square? Both the side and top views look wonky to me. 

[Rob Hall]

The Foose kit represents a customized body....

[Xingu]

If I remember right, he got the first Roush 427 that was produced. This is one of the few builds that I have seen on the show that I liked.

[Chuck Kourouklis]

The greenhouse doesn't look too much changed from stock, but I have no idea what mods were done or not done to that area on the FD100.

If it is stock or nearly so on the Foose truck, I might be more inclined to go with the new kit's dimensions over the old one's.  Revell may have sneaked some LIDAR scanning in on the C7 'Vette - if not, the kit is close enough to convince you otherwise - but this is the first Revell model in our hands for which we've actually seen development photos of the 1:1 getting a proper scan.

And if Revell did indeed collect that data and they didn't tease any of the measurements in the translation, this kit should be pretty accurate mathematically.  I haven't pored over it hard yet, but there don't appear to be many obvious goofs so far in comparison with the specific subject.

Edited May 22, 2017 by Chuck Kourouklis
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[MrObsessive]

Chuck, one thing that jumped out at me immediately is the wheelbase up front. There's more real estate between the trailing edge of the front fender, and the leading edge of the doors. That change alone would mean a LOT of slicing and dicing to bring that to stock. It looks like the whole roofline was lowered by a couple scale inches, so there's that too. 

While I'm not much into Foose customs, I DO like this particular truck, and I can see myself picking up one down the road. 

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Are you talking about the front wheel arches, Bill?  Those are definitely moved forward relative to stock, but correct for the Foose truck.  The closest thing I've seen to a justification for choosing this subject over the more novel ones Revell proposed is that it's a popular modification and some modelers will appreciate a kit with that work done already.

And the top sure gives the impression of being lowered, doesn't it? But looking at a bone-stock truck, I'm not so sure...

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by Chuck Kourouklis

[Daddyfink]

Overall, I really like my kit and I will most likely be picking up another one for the stash. 

[Zoom Zoom]

And the top sure gives the impression of being lowered, doesn't it? But looking at a bone-stock truck, I'm not so sure...

That's because everything is so deftly and subtly done. The roof is raked in front, it looks like the entire windscreen has been lowered. The Foose truck's roof has been altered much in the same way that Moebius inadvertently (?!?) chopped their F100 roof...it's too low, too flat, raked in front where it should be peaked in front. If you were to fix the Moebius roof, you'd basically be doing much the same to take the Foose truck back to stock. Most builders don't seem to notice (or care) how far off the Moebius roof is, where it sticks out like a sore thumb to me for some reason (when built stock at least). The effect on the Foose truck is so natural it looks nearly stock. I love the subtleties of the Foose truck, it's not meant to be a radical custom, but just perfecting the proportions, and I'm looking forward to building one.

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Huh.  Well, here's the story from Chip Foose Design, and it seems to cover us both, Bob. There's a cowl and a cab sectioning at window level, so the roof is indeed dropped - but it's hard to judge that from the side window DLO, because it's nearly the stock greenhouse moved down into the cab some:

"...In 2005, as part of the show Overhaulin', which featured Chip as co-host and lead designer, the truck was "stolen" from the Foose Design lot. Unbeknownst to Chip, his dad Sam led a team of builders and designers in reforming the '56 into the truck it is today. They were able to use Chip's drawings as their design template.

Nearly every panel was reshaped, reformed or cut. The cowl was sectioned, the hood was pie-cut, the front wheels were moved forward, the rear fenders were widened and raised up, the cab was section cut 3 inches at the rear window and the front fender wheel opening was moved up. A Roush NASCAR racing motor, serial number 1, was installed and one-off wheels were cut."

 

The hood's pie cut and the wheel well adjustments were pretty clear to me, but the greenhouse mods were definitely subtler. 

 

And yes, the Moebius F-series roof is kinda gross. The rounded C-pillars don't help matters much, and it's all pretty galling 'cause the resin patterns didn't seem to have any of those specific problems.  That all has the unfortunate whiff of a more accurate earlier prototype "not looking right" and getting teased and distorted into what we have now.

 

Just crossing fingers for the '65 - that's the one I care about.

Edited May 23, 2017 by Chuck Kourouklis

[lysleder]

Is the original Revell kit all wrong, or is the top on the Foose kit too wide and too square? Both the side and top views look wonky to me. 

The Foose cab in the picture is missing the separate roof panel part. What you see is basically the top side of the headliner, so to speak. The whole thing looks wider though, compared to the old Revell. At least in that picture

[horsepower]

Are you talking about the front wheel arches, Bill?  Those are definitely moved forward relative to stock, but correct for the Foose truck.  The closest thing I've seen to a justification for choosing this subject over the more novel ones Revell proposed is that it's a popular modification and some modelers will appreciate a kit with that work done already.

And the top sure gives the impression of being lowered, doesn't it? But looking at a bone-stock truck, I'm not so sure...

 

The top has been chopped 1" in the A pillars and the rear of the cab has been pie cut just enough to let the front settle down in place, NOT sure, but I think (yes I know how dangerous that can be) that the top above the drip rails has had a slight amount of material taken out to make it look a little flatter and not as bulky looking.

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Man, that's cool.  Work so quiet and sneaky you gotta look and look and look to start making it all out.

You got a complete list of the mods some place, Del?

[MrObsessive]

Chuck, the wheel arches are the same between them------I was talking about how they've been moved forward a bit. IMO, this gives the truck MUCH better proportions than what Ford originally did with their '56.

And yes, the roof has definitely been lowered a bit--------subtly so, but certainly lowered.

I'm also one of those a bit disappointed in the Moebius F100 roofline. I can fix it, but yeah......it's going to require some "cutting" and "lifting" to make it right. Those C pillars aren't quite correct either. The upper corners indeed are a bit too rounded to my eyes. Down the road, I may compose a little tutorial (like I did with the Road Runner) how it can be fixed.

[tim boyd]

 

More on the Chip Foose F100 body mods (from a June, 2006 special one-off magazine issue called "OverHaulin' from PriMedia:

 

Body (confirming above info with some additional details) 

* sectioned 2" from cowl

* tipped the roof forward

* pie-cut the hood

* pulled front fender openings forward and adjusted angle to match newly-sloped roof and hood

* raised the running boards

* shortened pickup bed with 1936 Ford stake pockets

 

Additional build details

* Art Morrison rear subframe; C5 Corvette front subframe  

* Corvette suspension parts 

* BFG g-Force T/A KDW tires with Y-speed rating (up to 186mph)

* Roush Performance 451 ci crate motor based on 427 FE Side-Oiler.  

* MagnaFlow stainless steel exhaust system 

* Bowler Performance Transmissions Ford C6 tranny 

* Ford 9" rear with 3.73 gears

 

Chip's intent with this project was to take the iconic 1956 Ford F100 design elements and tweak them into a more idealized design vision, not constrained by the practical work aspects and 1950's design and assembly technology.  I think he did a masterful job on this.  It's probably tied with his '65 Impala build (recent Cobo Autorama Ridler winner) as my two favorite Chip projects.

TIM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by tim boyd

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Thanks very much, Tim!

Chuck, the wheel arches are the same between them------I was talking about how they've been moved forward a bit. IMO, this gives the truck MUCH better proportions than what Ford originally did with their '56.

And yes, the roof has definitely been lowered a bit--------subtly so, but certainly lowered.

Yeah, that's what I was also saying about the front wheel arches, Bill - sorry not to make that clearer.  That roof lowering is really tricky, though.  The lower body seemed leaner to me, but the nearly-stock side windows are still throwing me off.  I can't make out the A-pillar chop, even though it seems pretty clear you can't tilt the roof forward without doing that.

But coming back around to my original point: for matching the specific Foose FD100, Revell has done as well with this as they have done anything else, whether they owe that to the scanning or not.  It really seems dialed in.

[Zoom Zoom]

I can't make out the A-pillar chop, even though it seems pretty clear you can't tilt the roof forward without doing that.

The height of the windshield/A pillars looks original. What I believe they did was remove/channel material from just below the windshield to the cowl, so the entire windscreen/A pillars were lowered into the body. 

With the Foose design having perfected proportions, I'll look forward to seeing people build the Foose truck in "what if it was stock" appearance (as well as other custom ideas). The revised proportions and fresh white plastic make for an ideal canvas to work from.

[sfhess]

To me it looks like they lengthened the cab a bit through the doors.  Kindig did that to some guy's 54-55 F100.

[Draggon]

The height of the windshield/A pillars looks original. What I believe they did was remove/channel material from just below the windshield to the cowl, so the entire windscreen/A pillars were lowered into the body. 

 

Check out Chucks pictures of the stock yellow truck vs Foose. If you look at the relationship between the bottom edge of the windshield sides, the character line at the cowl, and the curved part of the door opening, its a lot different. I does look like the top was lowered into the body.

[mk11]

That's because everything is so deftly and subtly done.... The effect on the Foose truck is so natural it looks nearly stock. I love the subtleties of the Foose truck, it's not meant to be a radical custom, but just perfecting the proportions, and I'm looking forward to building one.

Fully agreed; well said.

Most builders don't seem to notice (or care) how far off the Moebius roof is, where it sticks out like a sore thumb to me for some reason (when built stock at least)...

Maybe that's why so many get built as weathered beaters   The roof height at drip rail isn't the real issue as it matches my 1:1 closely. A measurement taken across the door width at the beltline reveals it to be two inches too wide; this is what messes with the c pillar and window opening visual. In conjunction with the lack of crown, tumblehome and ill-shaped/fitting hood, it makes for kind of an embarrassing release, almost overshadowing the fine design work on the windshield and parts fit. The Cat battery, locomotive jack, peterbilt wipers, dash pad and mystery diff are easily modified in comparison.

The '65/'66 is a good, logical extension on the foundation of the kit. Hope they find better advice for it's development.

Therefore, I have good reason in looking forward to building this nicely rendered revell '56, metal axle or no; a kit with mods that I may want to make vs mods I have to make. 

 

mike

Edited May 25, 2017 by mk11
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[mk11]

 With the Foose design having perfected proportions, I'll look forward to seeing people build the Foose truck in "what if it was stock" appearance (as well as other custom ideas). The revised proportions and fresh white plastic make for an ideal canvas to work from.

make a great one to backdate to a '50s era custom with proper wheels/tires/caps and a chrysler or caddy mill...

 

mike

[Ron Hamilton]

I plan to get a Foose '56, but I am going to finish my "Stock" 56 too. I have too much work in it trying to make it look good..

[Matt T.]

Is the original Revell kit all wrong...

Yes. 

[Ron Hamilton]

Yes. 

The earlier versions of the original kit are far better than the later ones. The fit of the parts is atrocious at best I have a '60's issue that fits together flawlessly, but the one I was working on was the Red Big window kit from the 1990's. I glued the doors shut and reworked the body. I may give up on it.

[horsepower]

Man, that's cool.  Work so quiet and sneaky you gotta look and look and look to start making it all out.

You got a complete list of the mods some place, Del?

I wish I did, but the things I remember have been mentioned elsewhere, I got the ones I remember are from the show. I'm not sure but I think you can find reruns of it on line.

[Bob Ellis]

Yes. 

The original or Foose is all wrong?