Would it bother you?

[slusher]

If you sold it the owner can do what ever they want with it even if it's morally wrong. Some people have no conscience. I never sell mine but if I did they wouldn't win a contest....

[James2]

8 hours ago, slusher said:

If you sold it the owner can do what ever they want with it even if it's morally wrong. Some people have no conscience. 

True, my only issue would be if they claimed to have built themself. I can't abide a lier. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by James2

[StevenGuthmiller]

8 hours ago, slusher said:

If you sold it the owner can do what ever they want with it even if it's morally wrong. Some people have no conscience. I never sell mine but if I did they wouldn't win a contest....

Yes, they can do whatever they want with them.

But the OP asked whether or not it would bother us.

 

Steve

[espo]

Amazing range of opinions expressed about this model. For what it's worth I think that since this person purchased your model and there was no conditions attached to the sale then the model is the possession the buyers to use as he pleases. Should he wish to display it at a show that's fine. If he presents it as his own work is plagiarizing the build and they are  nothing but a poseur. On the other hand if they presented it as being built by another, and he really should credit the builder in this case, then no foul.   

[geewhiz]

1 hour ago, espo said:

Amazing range of opinions expressed about this model. For what it's worth I think that since this person purchased your model and there was no conditions attached to the sale then the model is the possession the buyers to use as he pleases. Should he wish to display it at a show that's fine. If he presents it as his own work is plagiarizing the build and they are  nothing but a poseur. On the other hand if they presented it as being built by another, and he really should credit the builder in this case, then no foul.   

Well put, David.  I totally agree and wish I could have stated my opinion in that manner.  ????????

[Jantrix]

Bother me? No. It would make me flippin' furious.

 

[slusher]

7 hours ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

Yes, they can do whatever they want with them.

But the OP asked whether or not it would bother us.

 

Steve

No, it really wouldn't bother me....

[Tom Geiger]

You guys will argue about anything!  

Truth is, it's universally understood that a model car contest is a test of the builder/owners skills.  Anyone looking for a loop hole that this specific contest's rules omitted that is dishonest. 

I don't know how anyone could enjoy winning a model contest, knowing they didn't build the model.  In the end they are only cheating themselves.  They will never know the joy of winning a trophy for their own efforts.

[slusher]

12 minutes ago, Tom Geiger said:

You guys will argue about anything!  

Truth is, it's universally understood that a model car contest is a test of the builder/owners skills.  Anyone looking for a loop hole that this specific contest's rules omitted that is dishonest. 

I don't know how anyone could enjoy winning a model contest, knowing they didn't build the model.  In the end they are only cheating themselves.  They will never know the joy of winning a trophy for their own efforts.

Very well said Tom...

[StevenGuthmiller]

10 hours ago, espo said:

Amazing range of opinions expressed about this model. For what it's worth I think that since this person purchased your model and there was no conditions attached to the sale then the model is the possession the buyers to use as he pleases. Should he wish to display it at a show that's fine. If he presents it as his own work is plagiarizing the build and they are  nothing but a poseur. On the other hand if they presented it as being built by another, and he really should credit the builder in this case, then no foul.   

Agreed, 100%

16 minutes ago, Tom Geiger said:

You guys will argue about anything!  

Truth is, it's universally understood that a model car contest is a test of the builder/owners skills.  Anyone looking for a loop hole that this specific contest's rules omitted that is dishonest. 

I don't know how anyone could enjoy winning a model contest, knowing they didn't build the model.  In the end they are only cheating themselves.  They will never know the joy of winning a trophy for their own efforts.

Agreed again, 100%

 

Steve

[Draggon]

I have two models I purchased that were contest winners, one from the 60's and one from the middle 2000's. I would never consider displaying them at a show unless I explicitly credited them to the builder. 

I did the artwork for my ex-wifes business in 1982. Her logo was cribbed and is on the wall at countless salons....it's even used by the salon I get my haircuts at today. Maybe I'm just being irritable, but it feels like heck to have personal work stolen. I would never even thought of a copyright back then. 

[Bugatti Fan]

Glenn, is your logo work not covered by copyright laws?

[Tom Geiger]

22 hours ago, Draggon said:

I have two models I purchased that were contest winners, one from the 60's and one from the middle 2000's. I would never consider displaying them at a show unless I explicitly credited them to the builder. 

There's a guy in my club who doesn't build anymore, but likes to buy nice built models on eBay. He enjoys bringing them to shows, but always let's people know he's not the builder and that they are just there for display.

[Dann Tier]

Thought more about it for a while...……..yup, it STILL bothers me. Related to this story or not, its still WRONG, and letting things like this mentality going on, breeds MORE questionable actions and moralities, until before you know it, it went from "Its okay to enter someone elses model to; its okay that my parents do my homework, to; its okay if he does all my work while I get paid to be lazy, to; its okay if I leech-off people...………………" til eventually youre a real piece of s..t, or some kind of criminal. That mentality needs to be STOPPED.

[mchook]

Hi guys, I put this up a week ago & thought I might get a few yes or no answers but I see it's got people wound up. I do understand that people would be angry after putting a lot of work into something & someone else taking credit for it. I don't know if the person who bought the model I built took credit for building it or not, and for me it's o.k. either way. Because I had fun building it, I wasn't attached to it, I didn't think it was a contest winner and I got paid for the work I did on it. If he did win something good for him & me. 

[mike 51]

Glad you are a grown up Mark....refreshing to see. 

[NOBLNG]

If you're not going to do your own work, why bother with the contest? Just go to the trophy shop and buy your own darn trophy to impress your friends!

[Eshaver]

Speaking from the standpoint of being in the automobile collision business and auto restoration business for decades , what is the difference ? As long as the person I sell a car to dosen 't say they were the person responsible for the rebuilding , I have no qualm

[bobthehobbyguy]

1 hour ago, mchook said:

Hi guys, I put this up a week ago & thought I might get a few yes or no answers but I see it's got people wound up. I do understand that people would be angry after putting a lot of work into something & someone else taking credit for it. I don't know if the person who bought the model I built took credit for building it or not, and for me it's o.k. either way. Because I had fun building it, I wasn't attached to it, I didn't think it was a contest winner and I got paid for the work I did on it. If he did win something good for him & me. 

It doesn't matter how much work you put in it or if you got paid.  Buying a piece of art entitles you to own it and display it but not to take credit for the work done.

17 minutes ago, NOBLNG said:

If you're not going to do your own work, why bother with the contest? Just go to the trophy shop and buy your own darn trophy to impress your friends!

Exactly. 

[mikemodeler]

9 minutes ago, Eshaver said:

Speaking from the standpoint of being in the automobile collision business and auto restoration business for decades , what is the difference ? As long as the person I sell a car to dosen 't say they were the person responsible for the rebuilding , I have no qualm

To this point, how many people have others do work on their 1:1 cars because they lack the skill, time or tools to do it themselves? Many! I have a friend who bought a car that was featured in Hot Rod magazine and is well known for it's uniqueness and there is no way he could pass it off as his own doing, despite being a very talented body man and mechanic. He is quick to tell you who built the car and that he bought it to ENJOY it and the work the builder put into it.

As far as a model car goes, (or anything else that I own) once I have sold it I lose all emotional attachment once I deposit the money. Yes, it would bother me if someone tried to take credit for my work.

[Dann Tier]

46 minutes ago, NOBLNG said:

If you're not going to do your own work, why bother with the contest? Just go to the trophy shop and buy your own darn trophy to impress your friends!

VERY good point!!….also, there IS a difference between a Model Show, and a CONTEST......put it in the show.....a contest is ONLY for people who do their OWN work to be judged on how THEY built it.

Edited September 16, 2018 by Dann Tier

[Classicgas]

1 hour ago, mike 51 said:

Glad you are a grown up Mark....refreshing to see. 

So by this statement I take it if it does upset you that someone is a lowlife and takes credit for your work you are not "grown up"?

[1930fordpickup]

If it bothers you never sell your work. 

Is it wrong to claim someone else's work as your own sure.  That is on them not you.  

[smhardesty]

2 hours ago, NOBLNG said:

If you're not going to do your own work, why bother with the contest? Just go to the trophy shop and buy your own darn trophy to impress your friends!

You're just not addressing the question that Mark asked. He simply wanted to know if it would bother each of us. Your answer should be either, yes it would, or no it wouldn't. You seem to be more concerned with the "other guy", the buyer.

As for that " other guy", you're making assumptions about the situation you couldn't know anything about,,,,,, UNLESS you were at that contest/show, had a copy of the rules, and then heard the "other guy" take credit for the build, OR knew for a fact that he NEVER told anyone who the builder was.

Just go back to the very first post in the thread and read what Mark said. Then read his latest post. He specifically states he doesn't know if the guy took credit for the build AND for him "it's OK either way".

I could quote a couple others and reply, but this covers what I'd post there as well.

[smhardesty]

27 minutes ago, 1930fordpickup said:

If it bothers you never sell your work. 

Is it wrong to claim someone else's work as your own sure.  That is on them not you.  

B-I-N-G-O. Well said.