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1964 Pontiac Grand Prix


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Looks great , Steve !  

I especially like the Slim Jim conversion ( I'd forgotten just how wide the oil pan is on those early automatics ! ) .

Speaking of oil pans --- is it just me , or does that stock 'pan look like a modified-sump version of the stock one ? I'm citing the emulated welding laps around its perimetre and across its sump .

And , those Rochester carburetors are fantastique !

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I appreciate that guys!

 

On 8/9/2020 at 7:07 PM, 1972coronet said:

Speaking of oil pans --- is it just me , or does that stock 'pan look like a modified-sump version of the stock one ? I'm citing the emulated welding laps around its perimetre and across its sump .

I really couldn't tell you John.

This is the oil pan supplied in the AMT '62 Catalina kit.

That engine is a 421, so possibly unique to the 421 HO?

 

If that's the case, I guess this becomes a 421 instead of the intended 389. :D

In the end, it would make sense anyway as I opted to use the exhaust headers from the 421 versus using the 389 manifolds supplied in the Revell '66 GTO kit. ;)

 

 

The intake is now finished for all intensive purposes.

I still might add a dab or 2 of grime, and of course the air cleaners will be added at the time of final engine assembly.

 

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1 hour ago, StevenGuthmiller said:

This is the oil pan supplied in the AMT '62 Catalina kit.

That engine is a 421, so possibly unique to the 421 HO?

If that's the case, I guess this becomes a 421 instead of the intended 389. :D

In the end, it would make sense anyway as I opted to use the exhaust headers from the 421 versus using the 389 manifolds supplied in the Revell '66 GTO kit

That makes sense , as that engine represents the Super Duty 421 . 

389-400-421-428-455 are the same block --- I'm sure that some Pontiac specialist will correct my potentially-errorneous information --- for all intents and purposes ( or maybe the 389 is a shorter-deck ? Nothing noticeable in-scale ) .

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On 8/8/2020 at 9:11 PM, StevenGuthmiller said:

 

Okay, am I the only one who routinely gets sidetracked with details?

I find myself doing this all of the time where I start looking at a part, and suddenly ideas begin forming in my brain about how it can be improved, even though I really had no intention of changing it.

Before I know it, I'm experimenting, followed by complete commitment to the alterations. :rolleyes:

 

Steve

 

I think there are many of us like you here Steve, including myself.  The past couple of years my dexterity for small detail work has left me (which I truly miss) and I've found myself drawn to doing restorations that only require body repair/fab, prep and painting.  I've found that this change has helped my continue my love of the hobby while lessening the frustration of being unable to detail like I used to.  My detailing was never to your level, for sure, but I loved it.

Keep up your fantastic stuff Steve, we love seeing your posts!

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That is a beautiful linkage you have built.  And maybe I'm missing something, but where is the rod to the first carb?  It seems to be sitting out there alone on the linkage side.   And that spring is just masterful.

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33 minutes ago, randyc said:

That is a beautiful linkage you have built.  And maybe I'm missing something, but where is the rod to the first carb?  It seems to be sitting out there alone on the linkage side.   And that spring is just masterful.

I used photos of an actual set up to build this intake and tried to keep it as close as I could.

Things are not proportioned exactly as they should be, but according to my research photos, there is no linkage to the front carb on the left side.

It appears that there is linkage between the front and rear carb on the bottom of the right side, which I represented on the model.

 

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Aha!  I wondered if it would be over there but it disappeared in the fuel lines when I was looking.   I had a guy I used to clean cars for had a 62 GP with the tri power setup, 4 spd, 8 lug wheels.  Such a sweet car - he never drove it.   I turned it sideways just messing once though.  

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Thanks for all of the kind comments gentlemen!

 

 

Today, I managed to spend some time detail painting the firewall and the majority of the remaining engine components.

While I was doing that, I also started some work on the radiator by adding a filler neck and overflow tube.

I also scratch made a radiator cap.

 

Assembly of the engine has also started and I think it should come together pretty quickly.

 

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HOW do you hold onto small parts to cut/sand/file?  I can get them started but they end up flung into the universe, no matter what I try.   When you look at sky at night in winter (northern hemisphere) and can see the plane of the Milky Way, then you must be seeing at least SOME of the lost model car parts.  

Excellent work.  

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3 hours ago, randyc said:

HOW do you hold onto small parts to cut/sand/file?  I can get them started but they end up flung into the universe, no matter what I try.   When you look at sky at night in winter (northern hemisphere) and can see the plane of the Milky Way, then you must be seeing at least SOME of the lost model car parts.  

Excellent work.  

I guess it depends on the part that I'm making.

Often, as the case with the radiator cap, I can figure out a way to make the part by leaving it on a larger piece of the material I'm using until the very end and then trim it off.

 

I made the radiator cap by gluing a small piece of thin sheet styrene to the end of a piece of plastic rod a few inches long that was about the same size as the center round portion of the cap.

After the glue set, (I usually use MEK) I then trimmed the sheet around the outside of the rod in the general shape of the cap with a #11 blade using the other end of the rod as a handle.

Then I used files and sand paper to refine the size and shape of the cap, then drilled out the center. (a small center "button" will be added later)

Finally, I trimmed the cap off of the rod.

 

This is just one of the techniques I use for these small parts.

 

If you go back a page and see how I began the shape of the power steering pump, you'll see that I pretty much built the entire thing while still attached to the tubing that it was made from, and then trimmed it off later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve

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Well folks, I can finally say that at least one portion of this project is completely finished! :P

 

A short synopses of what was done to this engine.

 

The bulk of the engine was taken from the AMT 1962 Pontiac Catalina kit, with the addition of parts such as the tri-power intake, belt and pulley assembly and alternator from the Revell 1966 GTO kit.

The transmission was modified from a Johan '62 Olds kit, and the air cleaner lids were shaved from the GTO articles.

Scratch built parts include the lower portion of the air cleaners, the oil filler cap, power steering pump and bracket, and the transmission and engine dip stick tubes.

 

The air cleaner assemblies turned out better than I had hoped! ^_^

 

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